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ergophobe

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Re: Terminator Scenario
« Reply #330 on: December 25, 2016, 06:06:18 AM »

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Re: Terminator Scenario
« Reply #331 on: December 25, 2016, 08:08:41 AM »
One of my wife's cousins is an AI engineer.  He was working for a hedge fund between working for MS and Google.

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Re: Terminator Scenario
« Reply #332 on: December 27, 2016, 03:41:11 AM »
Fox news on how driverless cars will change employment in the next 10 years

I was surprised by the tone by the host on FOX, as I usually think of the network as pro-business and not very concern about the casualties of technology.  The next 20 years are going to be a very bad time for people with moderate intelligence.

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« Reply #333 on: December 27, 2016, 04:41:15 AM »
bad time for people with moderate intelligence.

I honestly don't think intelligence has a lot to do with it. I think it's more a question of education (type, more than amount) and adaptability (which is partly a function of wealth, that is, having a cushion to ramp up in a new field).

It's more luck and adaptability. There are some really smart people in the wrong industries - as the Fox host mentioned, think about bookstores. I actually loved some of the interviewer comments and how he was able to go big picture...

"Thank you for acknowledging reality" (after saying that these out of work drivers were not going to become software engineer

"The tech industry doesn't own the roads." (making the point that it's going to cause a lot of economic dislocation for workers and making the point that if you take away 4 million driving jobs and reduce the 30,000 traffic deaths per year, there will be some offset in "slow suicide" by oxycontin and cirrhosis of the liver).

"Nobody in my world cares about this at all. Nobody in 'rich person world' thinks about this."

I don't know Tucker Carlson, but he's an interesting character, based on his Wikipedia article
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At the 2009 Conservative Political Action Conference, Carlson was booed for saying that the journalists at The New York Times care about accuracy.

On the Iraq war
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I think it's a total nightmare and disaster, and I'm ashamed that I went against my own instincts in supporting it. It's something I'll never do again. Never. I got convinced by a friend of mine who's smarter than I am, and I shouldn't have done that. No. I want things to work out, but I'm enraged by it, actually.
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Re: Terminator Scenario
« Reply #334 on: December 27, 2016, 04:58:07 AM »
I don't disagree with you, there will most likely be a lot of smart people who are going to not be able to adapt and of course luck and timing are huge too.  There will be plenty of smart and skilled people who are going to be hurt from automation as well. 

That said, for the type of people who's most marketable assets are a capable body and showing up to work on time things will be particularly rough.  BTW, I had a conversation with a baby-boomer who also is concern about this trend; more evidence that awareness is spreading.


>>I actually loved some of the interviewer comments

He was reprimanded by Jon Stewart years ago on CrossFire for making a mockery of news.  Maybe it had an impact?

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Re: Terminator Scenario
« Reply #335 on: December 27, 2016, 05:28:41 PM »
That said, for the type of people who's most marketable assets are a capable body

My sister has an engineering degree and an MBA from Harvard, but she was in the same job for a long time and is of a certain age and it turns out to be not that easy to find decent-paying work even for her. I think the big advantage will be based not on intelligence, but on people who have made regular career switches if for no other reason than the contact list you have from doing that.

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He was reprimanded by Jon Stewart years ago on CrossFire for making a mockery of news.  Maybe it had an impact?

Interesting. I don't watch any broadcast TV at home, but when I am out and about, I see Fox pretty often and most of their anchors infuriate me. This was an exception. And the recent Megyn Kelly interview on Fresh Air was impressive actually. Now that Glenn Beck has repeatedly apologized for the toxic effect he has had on American media and politics, perhaps Tucker Carlson is in a similar vein. I'd never heard of the guy until your clip.

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Re: Terminator Scenario
« Reply #336 on: January 23, 2017, 07:28:15 PM »
I want to see an intelligent robot that is able to harvest soft produce:  tomatoes, berries, peaches, etc.

I'm tired of people making robots that are meant to blast the crap out of people.  I want to see a robot that helps people.

Go ahead Mackin, call me a f*cking hippy.

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Re: Terminator Scenario
« Reply #337 on: January 24, 2017, 04:08:34 AM »
You're behind the times... they've been available for a while now, at least for grapes.

Basically, robotics now is mostly a cost analysis - what is the final cost to get a product to market with and without robots. If He Who Shall Not Be Named builds a wall and ejects all the undocumented immigrants, expect to see a big uptick in orders for fruit-picking robots.

Grape-picking robot from 2012 (aka "olden times" in AI/robotics years)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2209975/Meet-Wall-Ye-The-French-grape-picking-robot-work-day-night--vineyard-workers-job.html

2013 - robotic strawberry picker
https://www.asme.org/engineering-topics/articles/robotics/smart-robots-for-picking-fruit

2016 - apples... still experimental
http://www.goodfruit.com/growers-get-peek-at-automatic-picking-machine-video/

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Re: Terminator Scenario
« Reply #338 on: February 21, 2017, 09:11:26 PM »

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Re: Terminator Scenario
« Reply #339 on: February 28, 2017, 12:28:44 PM »
The latest generation at Boston Dynamics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7xvqQeoA8c

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Re: Terminator Scenario
« Reply #340 on: February 28, 2017, 12:55:49 PM »
>The latest generation at Boston Dynamics

we're f###ed!

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Re: Terminator Scenario
« Reply #341 on: February 28, 2017, 01:35:07 PM »
UN Report: Robots Will Replace Two-Thirds of All Workers in the Developing World [THEY ARE f###ed]

https://futurism.com/un-report-robots-will-replace-two-thirds-of-all-workers-in-the-developing-world/
Mr. Mackin

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Re: Terminator Scenario
« Reply #342 on: February 28, 2017, 03:23:06 PM »
That BD robot is just incredible, I mean the way it can jump,  wow.

Re the UN report: It is going to be an economic bomb, like the bubonic plage.  In much of Western Europe the serfs who survived ended up with more freedom, but in the Slavic counties they basically became slaves.

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Re: Terminator Scenario
« Reply #343 on: February 28, 2017, 10:46:17 PM »
Looks like Mashable sees the end result of this trend with BD's new metallic demon. I'm posting this just for their headline:

This parkour robot overlord has 'Terminator' written all over it

http://mashable.com/2017/02/28/boston-dynamics-reveal-highly-anticipated-agile-handle-robot/

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Re: Terminator Scenario
« Reply #344 on: March 01, 2017, 10:38:54 AM »