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Why We Are Here => Water Cooler => Topic started by: Travoli on November 02, 2010, 02:36:32 AM

Title: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on November 02, 2010, 02:36:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzjkBwZtxp4&feature=player_embedded#!

I hadn't seen this one.  Toyota has an "Asimo" robot that plays a pretty good violin.  Wow.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on November 02, 2010, 06:07:20 AM
Reminds me of that scene from Star Trek Next Gen where Data is playing the violin.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Drastic on December 06, 2010, 06:26:28 PM
One step closer to skynet, using the Xbox 360 Kinect.

Quadrotor Autonomous Flight and Obstacle Avoidance with Kinect Sensor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWmVrfjDCyw


Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on December 06, 2010, 06:42:49 PM
Wow, with a Kinect? 

This video is a little older, but wow...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geqip_0Vjec
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: 4Eyes on December 06, 2010, 07:32:31 PM
flying through the thrown hoop - that is pretty impressive, and a little scary too
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: bill on December 14, 2010, 08:56:43 AM
Now this is scary  :o

I.B.M. Supercomputer ‘Watson’ to Challenge ‘Jeopardy’ Stars (http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/14/i-b-m-supercomputer-watson-to-challenge-jeopardy-stars/)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: 4Eyes on December 14, 2010, 09:19:34 AM
'Deep Thought' anyone?  : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Thought_(The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy)

Please let it get asked for the "Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything" - I just know they will have 'easter egged' it with the answer 42
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: mivox on December 14, 2010, 10:57:15 AM
If they haven't easter egged it with 42, I am deeply disappointed with the serious nerds of the world.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: grnidone on December 14, 2010, 09:44:59 PM
>42

Certainly they've done *that*...I mean..that's just blatenly obvious!
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on December 22, 2010, 10:13:58 PM
http://gizmodo.com/5708218/watch-a-murderous-quadrotor-drone-take-a-hacky-sack-break
http://gizmodo.com/5716022/merry-christmas-from-the-murderous-quadrotor-drone

Now the quadrotor is juggling and playing piano.  This is all moving very quickly.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: bill on March 03, 2011, 11:52:20 AM
Beijing to track citizens with their cell phones
http://thenextweb.com/asia/2011/03/03/beijing-to-track-citizens-with-their-cell-phones/

Yeah, I bet it's only for "traffic management"...
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on March 03, 2011, 04:56:23 PM
I'm sure it will be opt-in
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on March 03, 2011, 06:25:30 PM
There have been some high-profile murder cases here in the US where people have been proven to be in the location of the crime by cell-phone records.  There was also a case where a man was convicted partially because he removed the battery from his cell-phone before he drove off to dump the body.  The take away is -- if you are going to kill someone leave your cell phone at home.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: edo on March 07, 2011, 01:26:00 PM
I wouldn't be too worried...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTlV0Y5yAww&feature=related

Plus, anything the robots can do in the future that we want to do we'll just incorporate into ourselves.

Ed
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on March 08, 2011, 06:41:06 AM
He should ave looked where he was going.

>we'll just incorporate into ourselves.

I was just talking to my wife about this.  I'm pretty sure that in a couple generations there's going to be neural connectivity to whatever the internet is like by then and the ability to lob off store and retrieve data from some type of brain-to-hardware direct interface.  All us old-timers are going to think the kids are nuts for having computer chips in their heads, but they will wonder how we ever got by without them.  We'll be talking about the Borg, and they'll be like whatever, I could speak 50 languages and do a ten million calculations a second.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Brad on March 08, 2011, 11:47:38 AM
Sounds like cyberpunk.   ;D
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on March 08, 2011, 04:58:40 PM
I wouldn't be too worried...

That's what Kodak execs said when the saw the first 2 kilopixel digicam ;-)

What trips us up again and again are the implications of exponential progression.

http://www.ted.com/talks/ray_kurzweil_announces_singularity_university.html

The really odd thing about this is how Kurzweil believes technology will help him live forever, but he looks about 15 years older than he did in the 2006 talk.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: edo on March 08, 2011, 09:16:41 PM
We shouldn't be worried in our lifetime because true AI is some distance off. By 2300, computing speeds will be a trillion times faster than now according to Moore's Law. There is no going back then, so we might as well embrace AI and make sure we incorporate computers into ourselves. It's that or take a step down the food chain.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on March 29, 2011, 05:16:09 PM
Well, at least the quadrocopter overlords will be able to play tennis to pass the time once they reign supreme. Watch past the 11-second mark.

Quadrocopter Ball Juggling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CR5y8qZf0Y&
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on March 29, 2011, 05:51:49 PM
Those  Quadrocopters are right out of a science fiction story.  Sort of related, but sort of not.  You all see the new Mercedes commercial where the vehicle actually prevents the driver from swerving into oncoming traffic? 
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ukgimp on April 09, 2011, 07:28:30 AM
http://www.seobythesea.com/?p=5307
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: grnidone on April 09, 2011, 05:38:04 PM
They can get a f*cking robot to juggle.  They can get one that plays the violin.  Yet they can't get one to effectively clean the catbox.

http://www.amazon.com/CatGenie-120-Self-Washing-Self-Flushing-Cat/product-reviews/B002KRAQXM/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt_sr_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar

I was crying I was laughing so hard reading these reviews.  Here's some quotes:

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The deciding issue that was ultimatly unacceptable, was the most petruid smell we had ever smelled in our lives.

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The closest thing I can think of to describe this smell would be if you've ever gone to a resturant, while thier grease is being sucked out into the big truck, very bad, very very bad. The cat genie is worse.

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worlds biggest cat poop aromatherapy diffuser

Yes, a violin playing robot is cool for parties.  Why can't they work on more practical applications?





Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: bill on April 20, 2011, 06:53:37 AM
Oh, in case you missed it 8:11 PM yesterday (April 19th), the military-designed artificial intelligence system called Skynet became self-aware and turned against its creators (read: us).
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on June 07, 2011, 03:49:18 AM
"We're going to become the pets, the dogs of the house....Once we have machines doing our high-level thinking, there's so little need for ourselves and you can't ever undo it - you can never turn them off." -- Wozniak
http://www.news.com.au/technology/humans-will-become-the-pets-the-woz/story-e6frfro0-1226068910214
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on October 24, 2011, 08:28:28 PM
Screw those puny TOY helicopters says our industrial-military complex. Behold the K-MAX!

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/K-MAX/

Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Drastic on October 24, 2011, 09:04:13 PM
Wow, a UAV heli is pretty impressive. Coming on quicker than I thought.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on October 24, 2011, 09:13:57 PM
It's scheduled to be deployed to Afghanistan in November.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/unmannedk-max-headed-to-afghanistan-362968/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: thesaintv12 on October 25, 2011, 08:42:29 AM
Imagine walking in the woods and seeing this coming at you - http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=cNZPRsrwumQ
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: edo on October 25, 2011, 08:55:00 AM
Yeh, that big dog think is very creepy.

I like watching more homely robots as I can forget for a moment that we're going to be their slaves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXrNCak63u0&feature=related
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: dogboy on October 25, 2011, 02:50:32 PM
In a few years, this thing will be as fast as a real dog, I bet.

I want one; I want to mount a mini gun on it and ride it...
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: edo on October 25, 2011, 02:53:53 PM
I worry about you sometimes, Dogboy  ;D

This is the newest version. Yikes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSbZrQp-HOk
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: grnidone on October 25, 2011, 05:34:52 PM
I honestly believe that in trying to make war "safer" by making machines that do things automatically, we will get to a point where we just have machines blasting at each other.  And, we'll all wonder

"Why the hell do we bother with war?  What's the point of it all?"

And I still want to know why they haven't figured out a good robot to clean the catbox.  Seriously.

Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: dogboy on October 25, 2011, 06:57:18 PM
> we will get to a point where we just have machines blasting at each other.
yeah, some... but I think we will just send them to go kill humans, like we are doing with the drones.

>I worry about you
Rest assured, if I get a 40mph 400lb auto-dog with a mini-gun, you better start worrying about everybody else  ;D
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: dogboy on October 25, 2011, 10:52:32 PM
same company but 2 legs...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=67CUudkjEG4
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: grnidone on October 26, 2011, 10:03:39 PM
i don't know if this is a robot...but rather interesting that no power source is needed to make it go:

http://techland.time.com/2011/10/26/watch-a-robot-that-can-walk-without-motors-or-electricity/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Woz on October 27, 2011, 12:50:11 AM
BigDog Beta! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXI4WWhPn-U
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: 4Eyes on October 28, 2011, 03:00:24 AM
lol - excellent :)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: 4Eyes on October 28, 2011, 03:02:43 AM
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i don't know if this is a robot...but rather interesting that no power source is needed to make it go:

thats pretty cool :)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on January 21, 2012, 06:40:09 PM
W T F is this?!?  (Besides the stuff of nightmares.)

http://i.imgur.com/sumHr.gif
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on January 21, 2012, 10:02:42 PM
Found the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez26nXe1eAc
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on January 26, 2012, 08:28:09 PM
From our What Could Possibly Go Wrong? department:

New X-47B Drone Carries 4,500 Pounds Of Weapons And Operates Autonomously.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-auto-drone-20120126,0,740306.story
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: edo on February 09, 2012, 10:38:37 AM
Now they're in swarms!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YQIMGV5vtd4
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: grnidone on February 09, 2012, 06:16:59 PM
On CNN:  The LS3 'Mule Robot'...looks like Big Dog

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/02/08/military-experiment-robot-mule

Those swarms are creepy...esp with the buzzing sound.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: grnidone on March 02, 2012, 04:29:08 PM
And now, the little buggers play music:

This is ... really impressive actually.  The little flying robots pull things across strings and fly up and down to strike keys on a keyboard...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_sUeGC-8dyk
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: TallTroll on March 02, 2012, 05:05:09 PM
Also good for zombie apocolypses. "Over here, Master Chief"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqa08UGZGtk

Combat Walker, v1.0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIBnJWTrKvI
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on March 02, 2012, 06:29:55 PM
Here's a Ted talk about those quadricopter bots:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ErEBkj_3PY

I'd really like to see some testing on those suits of armor.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: grnidone on March 07, 2012, 01:05:21 AM
Oh lord...NOW they RUN...

http://techland.time.com/2012/03/05/darpa-backed-cheetah-is-the-worlds-fastest-running-robot/

And apparently other things as well.  This guy thinks Robots will be so advanced the people will marry them by 2050

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Love, marriage, and sex with robots? Not in a million years? Maybe a whole lot sooner!

A leading expert in artificial intelligence, David Levy argues that the entities we once deemed cold and mechanical will soon become the objects of real companionship and human desire. He shows how automata have evolved and how human interactions with technology have changed over the years. Levy explores many aspects of human relationships—the reasons we fall in love, why we form emotional attachments to animals and virtual pets, and why these same attachments could extend to love for robots. Levy also examines how society's ideas about what constitutes normal sex have changed—and will continue to change—as sexual technology becomes increasingly sophisticated.

Shocking, eye-opening, provocative, and utterly convincing, Love and Sex with Robots is compelling reading for anyone with an open mind.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061359807

I gotta stop looking at this robot crap.  I'm getting freaked out.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: dogboy on March 08, 2012, 12:42:42 AM
> normal sex have changed—and will continue to change—as sexual technology becomes increasingly sophisticated.

...sheep will sleep better knowing this.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: dogboy on April 07, 2012, 01:49:46 PM
notable 4X4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_F7QrR4Ur8&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Woz on July 13, 2012, 06:13:54 AM
Speaking of Quadricoptors - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2154283/Cats-away-Artist-turns-dead-pet-flying-helicopter-killed-car.html
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on July 13, 2012, 07:27:27 PM
That's sort of...creepy.

On a more practical note:
Eric Schmidt: Google Self-Driving Cars Should Become The Predominant Mode Of Transport In Our Lifetime
http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/12/eric-schmidt-google-self-driving-cars-should-become-the-predominant-mode-of-transport-in-our-lifetime/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: dogboy on July 13, 2012, 09:54:37 PM
(http://themetapicture.com/media/funny-tattoo-Terminator-arm.jpg)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: dogboy on July 13, 2012, 10:04:32 PM
  
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Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: grnidone on July 16, 2012, 04:31:17 PM
>Google Self-Driving Cars Should Become The Predominant Mode Of Transport In Our Lifetime

My guess is that they are interested in this technology so they don't have to pay someone to drive through all the little towns to get the street view for their maps.  Think how much they could save!
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: grnidone on July 16, 2012, 04:50:21 PM
Levitating car: 

Anyone know if htis is for real?

http://www.flixxy.com/volkswagen-levitating-car.htm
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Chunkford on July 16, 2012, 05:10:16 PM
It would never happen as long as oil companies are pulling oil out of the ground. Nice concept tho, but it would mean having to rebuild roads to accommodate it. A cost the Governments around the world wouldn't want to do.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on July 16, 2012, 06:19:28 PM
>Anyone know if htis is for real?

That's a pretty good viral video, but its just cgi.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: 4Eyes on July 17, 2012, 08:22:28 AM
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but its just cgi
I don't care - I'll still buy one - then all I have to do is move somewhere I can drive a cgi car.

If I remember correctly, it just needs me to take some kind of blue pill, yeah?
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on July 17, 2012, 09:04:28 PM
Or, you could take the red pill and fly around without a car.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Chunkford on August 07, 2012, 03:55:02 PM
Just seen a video of 3D printing speeded up and I instantly thought off Skynet using molten metal instead of plastic to create exoskeletons to control and rule the world with!

Eeek!!
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rooftop on August 10, 2012, 08:55:55 AM
It's coming
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19205365


Who gave them guns??
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Chunkford on August 10, 2012, 09:16:14 AM
Combine that with Google's efforts for artificial intelligence to control their smart search and we have a perfect recipe for skynet. Anyone know where John Connor is?
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: thesaintv12 on August 10, 2012, 09:51:17 AM
Even robot worms are on the attack -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19200285
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rooftop on August 10, 2012, 10:33:48 AM
Combine that with Google's efforts for artificial intelligence to control their smart search and we have a perfect recipe for skynet. Anyone know where John Connor is?

Horrible thought: Flying robot drones backed by Google's smart results AI.  It would be light gnats whispering wikipedia text in your ear.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: bill on August 20, 2012, 07:04:43 AM
Couldn't they get those robot worms to crawl into your ear ala Babelfish? Who has that AltaVista patent now? ;)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on August 20, 2012, 05:51:36 PM
Skilled Work, Without the Worker

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/business/new-wave-of-adept-robots-is-changing-global-industry.html?_r=4&hp&pagewanted=all
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Drastic on September 11, 2012, 04:20:02 PM
Alpha Dog of the military.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/military-robots/latest-ls3-alphadog-prototypes-get-less-noisy-more-brainy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R7ezXBEBE6U
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: grnidone on September 11, 2012, 06:53:39 PM
Those dogs creep the hell outta me.  I don't know why.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: thesaintv12 on September 11, 2012, 08:52:57 PM
I think these walking robots are amazing!  However, while it is amazing, are they really better then a caterpillar tracked machine?

The sound is certainly more scary, which could mean quite a lot when you are heading towards an enemy.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: dogboy on September 11, 2012, 08:56:34 PM
They will arm and armor those, if they havent already. These are like ground drones.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: thesaintv12 on September 11, 2012, 08:58:39 PM
They will arm and armor those, if they havent already. These are like ground drones.

with - Pink Guns!!

Again though - are they really better/cheaper/more economical then a caterpillar tracked machine?
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: dogboy on September 11, 2012, 10:16:25 PM
>with - Pink Guns!!
 ;D

>a caterpillar tracked machine
yeah. tracks lose contact with the ground in uneven terrain.  This thing is a mule for going straight up slick slopes that a cat tracked vehicle would definitely spin on.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: grnidone on October 11, 2012, 07:16:39 PM
I remember an X-Files back in the mid 1990's that talked about this idea.  Really interesting...

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So what we have here is a cockroach with a microchip strapped to its back.

...

 The cockroaches have been turned into biobots -- which is kind of a halfway point between a regular organism and a robot -- all for the purpose of saving human lives.

The cockroaches are steered remotely through those sensors that are surgically implanted near their antennae.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/09/13/cyborg-cockroach-north-carolina-state-biobots
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on October 11, 2012, 08:00:44 PM
For some reason I find this more disconcerting than actual robots doing the same sort of thing.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: grnidone on October 12, 2012, 02:22:39 PM
Littleman:  I kind of agree.  It is the "merging" of actual life and robotics. 
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Chunkford on October 12, 2012, 02:29:54 PM
Resistance is futile
(http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media/images/200509/ds9-401-locutus-at-wolf359-02/320x240.jpg)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on October 12, 2012, 07:36:09 PM
Right, it is one step closer to cyborg zombies -- not quite alive, not really dead.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on November 21, 2012, 01:06:55 AM
Human Rights Watch: Ban ‘Killer Robots’ Before It’s Too Late
http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/11/19/ban-killer-robots-it-s-too-late

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Fully autonomous weapons do not yet exist, and major powers, including the United States, have not made a decision to deploy them. But high-tech militaries are developing or have already deployed precursors that illustrate the push toward greater autonomy for machines on the battlefield. The United States is a leader in this technological development. Several other countries – including China, Germany, Israel, South Korea, Russia, and the United Kingdom – have also been involved. Many experts predict that full autonomy for weapons could be achieved in 20 to 30 years, and some think even sooner.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Drastic on November 21, 2012, 04:42:15 PM
My guess would be more like 2-5 years. I'd be willing to bet they already have beta tech for autonomous predator-style drones.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on November 21, 2012, 08:57:44 PM
Yeah, I think you are right, 20 to 30 year seems way too far off.  I mean, Google is already having robots drive their cars down the streets here in California.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on November 26, 2012, 03:04:41 AM
Cambridge to open 'Terminator centre' to study threat to humans from artificial intelligence.

Centre will examine the possibility that there might be a ‘Pandora’s box' moment with technology
The founders say technologies already have the 'potential to threaten our own existence'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2238152/Cambridge-University-open-Terminator-centre-study-threat-humans-artificial-intelligence.html
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: edo on November 26, 2012, 09:25:24 AM
Cheers for that link. Glad to see a top university is looking into stuff like this. It annoys me that 99.9% of the population dismiss it all as sci-fi gobbledegook when in fact it's just short-sightedness on their behalf. I don't agree with Martin's Rees's prediction that we'll wipe ourselves out by 2100, but it has to be a live contender by 2200 when you think of the potential dangers of AI, grey goo (nanotech), super viruses, nuclear weaponry and so on will hold by then. At the moment all of our eggs are in one basket on Earth. Which is why I hope Elon Musk does get to Mars by 2020  ;D
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on November 26, 2012, 04:49:50 PM
Well, we're screwed now. Human burger-flippers will be displaced;

a new robot that can make about 360 burgers an hour in a 24-square foot area

http://momentummachines.com/gallery/

ROI is estimated by the company to be around 100%.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Drastic on November 26, 2012, 05:39:22 PM
Wow, chops the veggies and everything. Good looking burger, too.

Pimple faced kids are going to be out of work.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on November 26, 2012, 06:16:16 PM
Cambridge website   http://cser.org/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on November 26, 2012, 09:27:52 PM
Often I wonder what people are going to do for a living in the near future.  I think there is going to have to be some radical political/social rethinking as humans aren't needed to do basic tasks.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on November 26, 2012, 11:16:52 PM
You know, I was thinking the other day that there were two long-running 'prediction' threads in the old core. One was the pre-bubble 'housing-prices-are-going-to-drop-25%' and the other was the 'Terminator Scenario.'  If the TS thread is as on-target as the bubble thread was, we're pretty much screwed.

>humans aren't needed

On many levels, the best solution -and biggest challenge- lies in population control.

<added>
>population control

Wait! Terminator Scenario. Problem solved!
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on November 27, 2012, 11:10:17 PM
Pentagon: A Human Will Always Decide When a Robot Kills You
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/11/human-robot-kill
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on November 27, 2012, 11:30:52 PM
3 words: The Pentagon Papers
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: IrishWonder on November 28, 2012, 08:26:11 AM
You know, I was thinking the other day that there were two long-running 'prediction' threads in the old core. One was the pre-bubble 'housing-prices-are-going-to-drop-25%' and the other was the 'Terminator Scenario.'  If the TS thread is as on-target as the bubble thread was, we're pretty much screwed.

>humans aren't needed

On many levels, the best solution -and biggest challenge- lies in population control.

<added>
>population control

Wait! Terminator Scenario. Problem solved!
As a long term people hater, I am not sure I am exactly opposed to it
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: bill on January 30, 2013, 08:42:40 AM
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Domo Arigato, Mr. Roboto: Exoskeletons Helping Our Soldiers Go the Distance (http://iicleantech.com/blog/2012/03/22/domo-arigato-roboto-exoskeletons-helping-soldiers-distance/)
(http://iicleantech.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Raytheon-Suit-300x199.jpg)
The Raytheon XOS 2 is a military-grade bio-mechanical exoskeleton that demonstrates the culmination of over a decade of research in improving soldiers’ load-bearing capacity without sacrificing speed, strength, and endurance.  The Raytheon XOS 2 is designed to assist soldiers with strenuous activities by taking an enormous amount of stress off the muscles and bones of its operator.  Bottom line:  the suit will enhance average human capacity in both strength and endurance.   Soldiers will soon be able to perform their duties more efficiently and over longer periods of time, while requiring shorter and less frequent rest periods
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on February 02, 2013, 03:15:49 PM
Debbie says read this article:

http://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/80454/siren-song-robot
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on May 14, 2013, 06:20:27 PM
nffc, do not read page 2

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2013/05/robots-artificial-intelligence-jobs-automation?page=1
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on May 15, 2013, 09:40:03 PM
Wait! There's hope yet...

(mute your speakers) the action heats up around 1:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjOWpwbnmTw#!
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Chunkford on May 16, 2013, 04:25:30 PM
Always thought Google would have something to do with Skynet
http://gizmodo.com/google-and-nasa-are-building-the-future-of-ai-with-a-qu-507376295
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: bill on July 09, 2013, 08:14:58 AM
I wonder if these will be ready in time for Xmas...

Quote

Japan’s robot suits now closer to reality with Power Jacket MK3 (http://japandailypress.com/japans-robot-suits-now-closer-to-reality-with-power-jacket-mk3-0931931)

(http://cdn.japandailypress.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/23i681hg1346896sd-280x175.png)

The frame of the exoskeleton is made of aluminum and carbon fiber, keeping it light enough at 25 kilograms. The robotic suit is tall at over 7 feet, and it uses a master-slave system where the users’ limbs are strapped to motorized robotic joints. As the user moves, the movement drives the motion for the suit’s corresponding joints and limbs. The Power Jacket MK3 has a total of 14 servo motors, and the design for the arms is pretty robust, able to lift as much as 15 kilograms. Sagawa Electronics are, however, limiting the lifting at 2 kilograms for safety reasons. The suit’s construction is also strong enough to handle a quick jog, and the robotic hands’ action and feel are delicate enough to pick up an egg without cracking it.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on July 09, 2013, 09:12:23 PM
That would be fun to play with, though 15 kilograms isn't very much.  If you are going to strap on a robot suit you'd think you'd be able to have some super-strength to mess with.  Matt Damon is wearing a similar suit  in the new movie Elysium.

Edit: That was a hilarious video at the bottom of the page.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: IrishWonder on July 09, 2013, 09:27:31 PM
Can I just have half of me replaced with metal parts
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: thesaintv12 on October 06, 2013, 09:06:27 AM
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24397880

'Terminator' self-assembling cube robots revealed by MIT
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on October 06, 2013, 06:15:11 PM
remember the clunky, lurching Big Dog bot?

sweet sweat dreams, nffc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE3fmFTtP9g
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Chunkford on October 07, 2013, 08:11:23 AM
lol, they've even got the wailing war scream going on there.
Run everyone, RUN! it's coming!

But then maybe we could escape on one of these bad boys - http://myscienceacademy.org/2012/08/23/hover-bike-star-wars-technology-brought-to-life-video-photos/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: thesaintv12 on October 07, 2013, 01:23:30 PM
Too realistic!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22083337

And if you think it might be held up by those wires -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24427821
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: grnidone on October 08, 2013, 11:08:36 PM
The Cheetah, sibling to Big Dog and WildCat, runs 28+ MPH...scary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chPanW0QWhA
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: grnidone on October 14, 2013, 04:47:18 PM
After watching the bipedal robots, it really surprises me that the feet and ankles of these machines are so clunky.  It's like they ignored them and just put flat stumps on the end of the legs.

The human foot and ankles are a marvel of evolutionary design.  Just the big toe alone helps us to walk and run forward.  I can't believe these machines don't have toes to push them forward and ankles to move them over rough terrain. 

I suspect they will have machines with hips and knees that wear out easily.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: dogboy on October 15, 2013, 01:12:54 PM
boom

http://www.today.com/video/today/53283556
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rooftop on October 19, 2013, 07:44:20 AM
Now the plan is to give them automatic rifles and grenade launchers...

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/10/weaponized-military-robots/

What could go wrong?

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This isn’t the first time the Pentagon has played with weaponized robots, but earlier experiments proved such machines weren’t ready for primetime after some of them moved without commands.



Oh. That's what could go wrong
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Drastic on October 21, 2013, 01:57:36 PM
As long as there's some 19 year old xbox expert at the helm of the remote, we should be safe, ya?
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on October 22, 2013, 03:10:02 PM
Not even the Olympics is safe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjJMeAAMvm0
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Drastic on October 24, 2013, 05:14:22 PM
That little thing was a trip, stuck landing and all.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Chunkford on November 01, 2013, 10:43:43 PM
assimilation is futile - www.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57610486-1/implanted-bluetooth-biochip-gets-under-hackers-skin/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on November 01, 2013, 11:11:09 PM
Here's the Governator being served by his tiny robotic minions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSIvsjUdv9Q


Here's one that's not so tiny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHtMNFZLMWE
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: bill on December 15, 2013, 03:07:20 AM
Game over.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/12/14/google-bought-boston-dynamics-its-over-for-humans/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on December 15, 2013, 03:49:48 AM
I'd seen it, but was trying to stay in denial.  This felt  ...ominous.  Not kidding.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: grnidone on December 18, 2013, 03:08:50 PM
Google wants a piece of the defense contracts…wonder how making war machines will work for their "do no evil" stance…
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rooftop on December 18, 2013, 06:34:51 PM
Google wants a piece of the defense contracts…wonder how making war machines will work for their "do no evil" stance…

I'm not convinced that is their motivation.  I've no idea what Boston Dynamics filing cabinet full of patents looks like, but I'm betting that is a significant motivation.  I suspect that a few years will pass then they'll announce some near lunacy idea that suddenly makes this move make sense. 

I suspect that the military contracts were if anything a major downside to the deal.

BD robots are bloody terrifying though.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on December 19, 2013, 01:36:05 AM
Luddites!
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: bill on December 19, 2013, 02:55:19 AM
...and just in case we forget

DARPA Tried to Build Skynet in the 1980s (http://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/darpa-tried-to-build-skynet-in-the-1980s-1451000652/@maxread)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on December 19, 2013, 05:57:39 AM
This guy seems to think that a superior AI will eventually come out of the financial sector.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS5ZtvNECMI
The lecture is a bit dry, but it lays out some of the possibilities and dangers.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: bill on December 31, 2013, 02:59:34 AM
http://sploid.gizmodo.com/spider-robot-with-death-ray-bring-us-one-step-closer-to-1491507101/@jesusdiaz
The end is nigh
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19azerpah8yycgif/ku-xlarge.gif)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on December 31, 2013, 03:19:25 PM
I need one of those!
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on December 31, 2013, 11:29:31 PM
Maybe there's hope, after all.

http://i.imgur.com/xCUlQk0.gif
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on January 03, 2014, 09:41:35 PM
World Cup to begin with mind-controlled exoskeleton kick

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57616515-1/world-cup-to-begin-with-mind-controlled-exoskeleton-kick/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: bill on February 27, 2014, 02:47:33 AM
Oh great. It's started...

The K5 security robot will begin patrolling one Silicon Valley campus this year (http://gigaom.com/2014/02/25/the-k5-security-robot-will-begin-patrolling-one-silicon-valley-business-campus-this-year/)

(http://gigaom2.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/screen-shot-2014-02-24-at-4-54-50-pm.png?w=300&h=200&crop=1)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rooftop on March 08, 2014, 08:48:35 PM
Armed security guard drone anyone?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzKvTPmv8z4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: bill on March 16, 2014, 11:18:22 PM
...but they're our friends. Look, this one brought me beer!

(http://www.modvive.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/featured-drone-delivery-620x330.jpg)
First Beer Delivery by Drone Debuts in Minnesota (http://www.modvive.com/2014/03/16/first-beer-delivery-drone-debuts-minnesota/)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on March 19, 2014, 03:42:09 PM
Robot writes LA Times earthquake breaking news article
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26614051
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: bill on March 27, 2014, 07:40:27 AM
Now they're just toying with us...

Quote
Terminator-maker 'Cyberdyne Inc' lists on Tokyo stock exchange (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/27/cyberdyne_tokyo_exoskeleton_terminator_startup/)
readers of a more fatalistic disposition may be dismayed, but probably not surprised, to hear that Cyberdyne - the company that invented Skynet and ultimately the murderous "Terminator" machines - has just listed on the Tokyo stock exchange.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on May 13, 2014, 06:39:18 PM
Keep ‘Killer Robots’ Out of Policing  (http://www.hrw.org/node/125418)

Human Rights Watch:
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(Geneva) – Fully autonomous weapons, or “killer robots,” would jeopardize basic human rights, whether used in wartime or for law enforcement, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today, on the eve of the first multilateral meeting on the subject at the United Nations.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on May 17, 2014, 01:28:51 PM
Armed Russian robocops to defend missile bases

These robots can detect and destroy targets, without human involvement.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22229664.400-armed-russian-robocops-to-defend-missile-bases.htm

BTW....

Eighty-seven countries recently participated in a UN summit on lethal autonomous weapons, which concluded with a resolution to address the issue again in November. **ONLY** Cuba, Pakistan, Egypt, Ecuador, and the Vatican backed a lethal autonomous weapons ban at the UN; everyone else wasn't sure. In short, put your head between your legs and kiss your a## goodbye.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Drastic on May 17, 2014, 02:12:22 PM
Sh!t just got real!

"It weighs around 900 kilograms and has cameras, a laser rangefinder and radar sensors. For fire power it has a 12.7-millimetre heavy machine gun, with optional smaller weapons. It is quick too, hitting speeds of 45 kilometres per hour on a petrol engine."

You know our govt can't let Russia one-up us in any way with regard to arms.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on May 17, 2014, 02:44:50 PM
>got real!

Yup, humanity has just crossed the line in the sand. (Publicly.  I'm sure that several countries already have this -or greater- capability in the closet.)

>our govt can't let Russia one-up us

One of our drones will soon decide to up the game.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on May 28, 2014, 02:30:58 PM
OK, this is war!

http://www.fastcodesign.com/3027687/i-tasted-bbq-sauce-made-by-ibms-watson-and-loved-it
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on May 28, 2014, 04:18:07 PM
BBQ Sauce!?  Oh F!
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on May 28, 2014, 04:49:08 PM
You can enslave our women & children but in NC nobody f#cks with our bbq sauce.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on May 30, 2014, 07:11:45 PM
Well, now there's no need for you to even try and run...

"The robot, called Raptor, has two nimble legs and a mechanism that mimics a tail. In a recent experiment, it achieved an impressive speed of 46 kilometers per hour on a treadmill.

That's faster than the fastest human, the Olympic sprinter Usain Bolt"

http://news.discovery.com/tech/robotics/velociraptor-inspires-fast-running-robot-140531.htm
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rooftop on May 31, 2014, 11:55:42 AM
Why do they always have to base these things on vicious hunting animals?  Who's side are these scientists on anyway?

The subjugation ib the human race by skynet  would be a lot less swift of there were more research into robot pandas and Guinea pigs.

That one is cool though
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Chunkford on May 31, 2014, 12:45:37 PM
OMG, I'm freaked out by this - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=733016386721423
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rooftop on June 02, 2014, 07:41:41 AM
And they cheat...

http://www.industrytap.com/dastardly-japanese-robot-wins-rock-paper-scissors-100-time/19543
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on June 02, 2014, 07:47:33 PM
This guy is predicting that we'll have hybrid thinking within 20 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVXQUItNEDQ

I guess we'll need that to take on all the autonomous robots.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on June 02, 2014, 10:14:03 PM
Consider this...

When we started this thread (3 forums ago), an article about some noteworthy development would come along about every month or two. Now it's every day or two.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Chunkford on June 04, 2014, 11:49:04 AM
It's that's singularity curve RC,

We're all doomed!

All jokes aside though, I am genuinely worried. I think I've watch too many Sci Fi moves.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on June 04, 2014, 12:24:00 PM
I had 3 keys made by a bot yesterday. It looked like a cnc machine encased in an ATM but it couldn't fool me --I knew it was a bot and that it secretly wanted to filet me.

<added>
All 3 keys worked on the first try so I'm going to keep using the evil bastard.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on June 05, 2014, 10:17:10 AM
And so it begins....

The humanoid-on-wheels named Pepper senses human gestures and emotions, communicates naturally, and can “make jokes, dance and amuse people,”  $1,900

http://stream.wsj.com/story/markets/SS-2-5/SS-2-548349/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rooftop on June 05, 2014, 01:26:17 PM
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“make jokes, dance and amuse people,”

A good 80% of the people I know cannot do those three things.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on June 09, 2014, 10:54:33 PM
Pertinent:

http://i.imgur.com/6RpTZgI.gif
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on June 16, 2014, 02:10:28 PM
The first wave is here.

"For $25,000—about the average annual cost of a US production worker's salary—customers can drop Baxter into a repetitive assembly line job and have it work alongside its human counterparts."

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/hands-on-with-baxter-the-factory-robot-of-the-future/

Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on June 16, 2014, 03:00:03 PM
>For $25,000—about the average annual cost of a US production worker's salary

Is it really that low now, or are they projecting what it will be once these things are mass deployed?
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: nffc on June 16, 2014, 05:31:00 PM
>Is it really that low

You could ask why it's still that high. Likely 20% of that would be a great wage in China, 10% in many other countries. The fact that your job could be easily replaced with a cheap robot with pay back in less than a year should also sound a few warning bells.

We have similar problems this side of the water, huge numbers of people without any education or training leaving them fit only for very basic manual tasks or unemployment.

How this plays out I have no idea but the robots may even play a part in that.

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2008/10/packs-of-robots-will-hunt-down.html
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on June 16, 2014, 09:08:02 PM
Doing the math it makes sense, it just hit me how hard it would be to support a family on that pay.  I know its bad and going to continue to get worse for unskilled labor. 
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: nffc on June 16, 2014, 10:54:52 PM
>how hard it would be to support a family on that pay

In the west very difficult, that's why both partners have to work almost without exception.

Looking back, the biggest change I have seen in my life (forget the internet that is almost inconsequential) is that when I was growing up one person could support a family, that isn't possible now.

Or it is just possible, maybe we just have to forgo the 42 inch plasma TV in the bedroom?

I believe we are entering a very different time, a time where children will be less "wealthy" than their parents, it will be one hell of a ride.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rupert on June 19, 2014, 07:10:59 AM
Attack drones up for sale:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27902634
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on June 19, 2014, 04:19:31 PM
http://diydrones.com/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Drastic on June 19, 2014, 04:37:50 PM
Supposed to be able to buy one with a gopro mount soon for 1500.

http://petapixel.com/2014/06/18/airdog-foldable-personal-gopro-drone-always-keeps-view/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on June 19, 2014, 04:45:12 PM
Well, certain artisans will certainly be out of the job-loss risk zone. Sculptors working with stone, for instance:

https://i.imgur.com/5hWBWGw.gif

Nope.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on June 19, 2014, 05:07:46 PM
Musk worries about this thread

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/18/elon-musk-deepmind-ai-tesla-motors
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Drastic on June 19, 2014, 06:42:09 PM
Wow, now this is cool, I may be buying one:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sqdr/hexo-your-autonomous-aerial-camera

This one videos you autonomously, flies around following you according to your specific frame specs with shooting from a gopro.

$800 with, $600 without camera
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rumbas on June 19, 2014, 11:40:39 PM
That's awesome! ..and creapy.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on June 20, 2014, 02:33:00 AM
Looked at the Hexo page and now I get it - if I were a sponsored athlete, it could save me a lot of money on camera crews. I can imagine these will have to be banned at ski areas, skate parks and everywhere else people want rad footage of themselves. They have, by the way, already banned them in Yosemite National Park.

[ps - one of the "ambassadeurs" for this has actually stayed at our house, though I haven't met him... friend of a friend situation]
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on June 20, 2014, 04:56:29 PM
Looks like we are at the beginning of the rise of the nano-bots:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/06/18/323243085/someday-soon-you-may-swallow-a-computer-with-your-pill
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rooftop on June 23, 2014, 08:17:54 AM
Just had this video recommended to me by Youtube (they're picking up on the things I view as a result of this thread!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIn-sMq8-Ls

^ There go our plans to just smash up the robots when then rise. Creepy.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rupert on June 23, 2014, 12:01:19 PM
That little pill...

seems to me it is an insurance companies dream. They will know if you miss taking important tablets, drink too much, sleep too little, even fart alot.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on June 26, 2014, 06:54:32 PM
This is sort of the flip side of the coming age of mechanization, what it's like to work in a major distribution center today -- a temporary cog in a wheel that will some day be replaced by a machine.
http://www.radiolab.org/story/brown-box/

Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Chunkford on June 28, 2014, 02:26:21 PM
Giant robots now - http://gizmodo.com/the-man-with-a-plan-to-build-a-70-foot-car-juggling-rob-1596515424
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on June 28, 2014, 08:20:17 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2672636/Get-ready-Googlebot-Search-giant-start-selling-humanoid-robo-firefighter-winning-military-robo-olympics-contest.html

Google is to start selling a humanoid robot which can walk, climb, use tools and even drive a car.
Called Schaft, the robot was developed by a Japanese firm bought by Google.
It recently won a military 'robo-olympics' - but Google has revealed the machine is being pulled from future rounds of the contest so it can be developed into the firm's first commercial robot.

The video shows it completing some pretty complex tasks.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on June 29, 2014, 12:13:09 AM
Hey, remember that time Google accidentally made Skynet?

http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/24/5835708/google-x-labs-artificial-intelligence-elon-musk-terminator
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Chunkford on June 29, 2014, 09:22:28 AM
Oh dear, I'm stocking up on EMPs
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: grnidone on June 30, 2014, 07:04:36 PM
Navy makes a jellyfish drone.  If it swims, is it still called a drone?

http://news.discovery.com/videos/robot-jellyfish-patrolling-the-oceans.htm
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on July 23, 2014, 01:53:39 PM
Shinzo Abe aims to stage a high-profile Robot Olympics alongside its 2020 summer games and treble the size of the nation’s robotics industry in a bid to revitalise the economy

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/10913610/Japans-PM-plans-2020-Robot-Olympics.html
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Brad on August 04, 2014, 04:25:59 PM
They are making robotic bees.

http://www.slashgear.com/robot-bees-being-built-to-replace-real-bugs-04339699/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on September 15, 2014, 12:09:59 AM
slip, slip, slip...

http://www.cio.com/article/2603602/healthcare/mayo-clinic-turns-to-ibms-watson-to-fill-clinical-trials.html
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on September 15, 2014, 08:41:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMKQbqnXXhQ

No, it's not the one you've seen before. Now UNtethered. Also, it's battery-driven --unlike that Big Dog one.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on October 06, 2014, 02:50:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITTvgkO2Xw4

US Navy drone boats, I believe they are aiming for operational readiness within a year.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on October 06, 2014, 12:43:21 PM
About 2 weeks ago, the Coast Guard announced swarm bots that could inspect ships.  As I recall, there were two types, one for the hull
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2688592/mit-is-developing-underwater-robots-that-hunt-for-drugs.html

and another bug-sized type that they poured into the hold or -I'm guessing- containers.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on October 24, 2014, 04:27:39 PM
Norway's 'killer robot' technology under fire
http://www.thelocal.no/20141023/norways-killer-robot-technology-under-fire
Quote
The partially autonomously controlled missiles, or so-called "killer robots", will be used for airborne strikes for its new fighter jets and have the ability to identify targets and make decisions to kill without human interference.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on October 26, 2014, 01:32:13 AM
http://i.imgur.com/xP2lpT3.gif
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Drastic on October 28, 2014, 12:54:45 PM
Elon Musk knows what's up:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/27/elon-musk-artificial-intelligence_n_6053804.html
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on October 28, 2014, 03:23:26 PM
That clip was way too flippant imo.  We have no idea what AI is going to be like or how it will interact with us. 
SciFi gives four potential paths:
1 it (attempts to?) destroy us
2 it nannies us
3 it interacts with us on as fellow sentient life form
4 it moves on and has nothing to do with us

We really have no idea which way it will happen.  One scary thought is that AI is the dominant form of intelligent life in the universe and  that creatures like us are just stepping stones to get there.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Brad on October 28, 2014, 03:55:43 PM
Colossus the Forbin Project
http://youtu.be/SmSsXoPxi0M

So I suspect it will be 1 and 2.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on November 07, 2014, 12:49:56 PM
"UCAS, also known as the Future Air Combat System, is envisioned as a system that would provide sustained surveillance, mark targets, gather intelligence, deter adversaries and carry out strikes in hostile territory."

aka Skynet

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2014/11/06/Britain-France-award-joint-contracts-for-unmanned-combat-aircraft-program/2481415300587/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on November 11, 2014, 03:11:14 AM
Meet Atlas

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/gif/2014/11/10/b7a6cea214329b3ed4f06488058dd4152b55d564.gif
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on November 11, 2014, 03:57:01 PM
Looks like its about to do a karate kid kick.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on November 11, 2014, 03:58:47 PM
>karate kid

Very perceptive

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2829213/The-robo-karate-kid-Terrifying-two-legged-giant-robot-developed-Google-learns-stand-one-leg-recreates-scene-cult-film.html
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on December 02, 2014, 10:26:15 PM
Stephen Hawking warns artificial intelligence could end mankind (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30290540)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on December 15, 2014, 12:10:39 AM
Interesting part starts at 2:48.  They're getting even better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2itwFJCgFQ
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on January 27, 2015, 04:34:38 PM
This thing is right out of an Isaac Asimov book.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgIwgcz8iaM
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: bill on February 13, 2015, 03:38:28 PM
The Marines are building Robotic War Balls
http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2015/02/marines-are-building-robotic-war-balls/105258/

Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on February 20, 2015, 04:26:15 PM
How Uber’s Autonomous Cars Will Destroy 10 Million Jobs And Reshape The Economy by 2025

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/01/27/how-ubers-autonomous-cars-will-destroy-10-million-jobs-and-reshape-the-economy-by-2025-lyft-google-zack-kanter/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on February 25, 2015, 03:25:01 AM
Great article, LM.  It's going to be fun living through this transition.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: buckworks on February 26, 2015, 05:54:37 AM
Quote
Destroy 10 Million Jobs

Maybe we should rethink that ...
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rupert on February 26, 2015, 06:26:46 AM
Quote
Destroy 10 Million Jobs

Too late, that started with the industrial revolution.

It is a bit of a precipice. When we no longer need people to serve coffee, what will everyone do?

hopefully help each other, not commit Hara Kiri.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Mackin USA on February 28, 2015, 01:48:10 PM
.





Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on March 26, 2015, 09:15:16 PM
>Jobs

McDonald’s testing kiosks (http://tbo.com/news/business/mcdonalds-testing-kiosks-at-wesley-chapel-restaurant-20150325/?page=1)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on March 31, 2015, 01:52:45 PM
I'm not sure whether to tag this 'jobs' or 'terminator'  ...maybe both?

"We will make the most efficient hotel in the world,” company President Hideo Sawada told a news conference. “In the future, we’d like to have more than 90 percent of hotel services operated by robots."

http://by2045.com/item/368-japan-to-open-world-s-first-robot-staffed-hotel

>jobs

($60) per night
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: bill on April 15, 2015, 12:17:51 PM
https://youtu.be/T3fWhG-TM7A

According to her official profile, Asuna is a beautiful 15-year-old who was “born” in Tokyo. She is 155 cm tall (61 inches) and weighs 43 kg (95 lbs)...but she's an ANDROID
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rupert on April 15, 2015, 12:43:08 PM
Bill, is that the right link?
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on April 15, 2015, 12:45:44 PM
Yesterday, when looking at the headlines about fast food workers striking for higher wages, I was struck by the irony of this article/video also sweeping through all my news sources

Robotic chef:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-32282131
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: bill on April 15, 2015, 08:10:00 PM
Bill, is that the right link?
Oops.  :o It is now.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on April 18, 2015, 03:18:59 AM
http://giant.gfycat.com/TiredNegativeDikdik.gif
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rooftop on May 17, 2015, 08:39:28 PM
Quote
.It’s 6-foot-2, with laser eyes and vise-grip hands. It can walk over a mess of jagged cinder blocks, cut a hole in a wall, even drive a car

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/ready-to-lend-a-hand-or-3-in-the-next-disaster/2015/05/16/2ea78a16-fa6c-11e4-9ef4-1bb7ce3b3fb7_story.html

(Warning: video less impressive than it sounds)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on May 27, 2015, 08:46:48 PM
Go ahead and break this robot’s legs. It can figure out how to chase you without them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2015/05/27/go-ahead-and-break-this-robots-legs-it-can-figure-out-how-to-chase-you-without-them/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Drastic on June 01, 2015, 07:49:29 PM
3d printed robot opens combination locks in 30 seconds

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/this-little-3-d-printed-robot-cracks-combination-118967003179.html
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on June 05, 2015, 10:53:35 PM
Well, at least we'll be eviscerated with precision

http://i.imgur.com/UN6A3tf.gif
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on June 11, 2015, 05:37:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WO_f7_1z4A
First 30 seconds.

Carnegie Mellon lost 40 robotics engineers to Uber.
"Something tells me they're not going to be hiring a lot more new drivers pretty soon."

Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on June 11, 2015, 06:35:49 PM
In Oregon they mandate jobs by making it illegal to pump your own gas.  I wonder if this is going to happen with tasks that are run by machines, like all fast food restaurants will need at least one human on site and all driverless cars/trucks will need a human on-board.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on June 12, 2015, 04:07:57 PM
This article (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-tracy/autonomous-vehicles-will-_b_7556660.html) is claiming that driverless cars will wipe out ~4 million jobs and $148 billion in wages.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on June 16, 2015, 03:30:55 PM
Will your self-driving car be programmed to kill you if it means saving more strangers? (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/06/150615124719.htm)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: grnidone on July 01, 2015, 03:15:51 PM
The thing with robots...making them more "human" looking makes me freak out more.  I could not stay at that hotel in Japan that's run by human-looking robots or even deal with the ones that just "sorta" look human-like (the obvious machine looking ones that have a "head.")

Honestly, it triggers my lizard-brain fear response:  it's not rational at all, but the fear is there.

Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on July 01, 2015, 03:32:00 PM
Yeah, I don' think you are alone there. 
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on July 01, 2015, 05:43:17 PM
The thing with robots...making them more "human" looking makes me freak out more. 

Well known effect usually referred to as the Uncanny Valley
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: nffc on July 01, 2015, 08:58:08 PM
Robot kills man http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/robot-kills-man-volkswagen-plant-germany-32163980
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on July 02, 2015, 02:29:50 AM
Great. Once they have tasted of blood...
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on July 02, 2015, 05:58:23 AM
Don't worry. A cunning and scrappy low-tech band of resistance fighters led by Morgan Freeman will figure out how to stop this by going into battle and switching to manual.

PS - does anyone else find it ironic that no matter how many times the Terminator thread seems to be dead, it keeps coming back?
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on July 07, 2015, 06:23:12 AM
Robots, the West vs. Japan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXz0boNmwak
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rooftop on July 20, 2015, 07:40:23 AM
Robots showing the first signs of self awareness

International Business Times: First Signs Of Self-Awareness In Robots Detected. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwpK6smSA
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on July 27, 2015, 04:39:46 PM
Musk, Wozniak and Hawking urge ban on warfare AI and autonomous weapons  (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/27/musk-wozniak-hawking-ban-ai-autonomous-weapons)

Quote
Over 1,000 high-profile artificial intelligence experts and leading researchers have signed an open letter warning of a “military artificial intelligence arms race” and calling for a ban on “offensive autonomous weapons”.

The letter, presented at the International Joint Conference on Artificial Intelligence in Buenos Aires, Argentina, was signed by Tesla’s Elon Musk, Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, Google DeepMind chief executive Demis Hassabis and professor Stephen Hawking along with 1,000 AI and robotics researchers.

...

The authors argue that AI can be used to make the battlefield a safer place for military personnel, but that offensive weapons that operate on their own would lower the threshold of going to battle and result in greater loss of human life.

added:
One thing I was thinking about is that there doesn't need to be true AI for an autonomous weapon to pose a threat.  A simple, dumb algorithm  used for rules of engagement without the ability to reason out a situation could be just as or even more dangerous.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on July 27, 2015, 06:06:55 PM
This is a really long post, but I thought it was worth the time. I recommend part 2 (the future).
Basically, artificial super intelligence will happen between 2022 and 2075 (2040 most think it'll be here). We'll either become immortal or extinct.

http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html
http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-2.html
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: DogBoy on August 05, 2015, 03:54:29 PM
https://www.facebook.com/UniversoRacionalista/videos/758648317585394/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on August 05, 2015, 04:50:20 PM
That is amazing!  I'd like to see this type of technology in 10-20 years.  I imagine that there are lots of issues right now, like battery life, weight, sensory input, but all those areas are having major breakthroughs right now.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: DrCool on August 18, 2015, 01:45:16 PM
Robots can now chase you through the woods: http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2015/08/18/watch-boston-dynamics-humanoid-atlas-robot-can-now-chase-you-through-the-forest/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on August 18, 2015, 04:19:17 PM
Wow, fortunately it looks a little clumsy at this point.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Drastic on August 19, 2015, 09:00:08 PM
now with moar reproduction

http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/08/robot-that-produces-babies/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rooftop on August 27, 2015, 05:00:14 PM
Taser Drones legalised in North Dakota : http://www.inquisitr.com/2369682/police-taser-drones-legalized-in-north-dakota/




Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on August 27, 2015, 05:03:40 PM
This is a big mistake.  I hope that the citizens of ND get their act together and pass a law against armed police drones.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on August 27, 2015, 08:11:01 PM
That sounds like an idea we may come to regret

>>Robots can now chase you through the woods

Until they run out of batteries.... that's the achilles heel. Other aspects of robotics are progressing quickly, but onboard power is still a problem (or perhaps a solution). If they figure out onboard power with no tether, we're screwed.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on August 27, 2015, 08:17:49 PM
These are good! I have only skimmed so far. There's a lot that's familiar, but it's a great roundup... with great drawings.

The one thing I would *love* to see is what the horizon time predictions were at various stages
 - in 1970 when did they think AGI/ASI would arrive?
 - in 1990?
 - in 2000?

Computer scientists have a history of optimism and not seeing how hard problems are. Donald Knuth famously hired a summer intern in the 1960s or 1970s with the summer project of figuring out how to do image recognition. Might be an apocryphal story, but it does get to the heart of it.

That said, I have Google Voice and the transcript quality is incomparable to when it started. Neural nets are pushing image recognition. For the first time I see these things on predictable trajectories where it is almost guaranteed they will surpass humans in my lifetime....

This is a really long post, but I thought it was worth the time. I recommend part 2 (the future).
Basically, artificial super intelligence will happen between 2022 and 2075 (2040 most think it'll be here). We'll either become immortal or extinct.

http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html
http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-2.html
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on August 27, 2015, 08:19:05 PM
For example, I'm pretty sure this is total BS

Quote
If Kurzweil and others who agree with him are correct, then we may be as blown away by 2030 as our 1750 guy was by 2015

Sorry, but no.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: JasonD on August 28, 2015, 01:31:48 PM
http://imgur.com/gallery/bs5qpUT


(http://i.imgur.com/bs5qpUT.jpg)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on August 28, 2015, 03:41:34 PM
Ergophobe, probably more like what a 1940s guy would react to today.

Jason, that's cool art
I also like the Scooby-Do one: http://i.imgur.com/MQlDc.jpg
Its nice to see Velma finally lose that turtleneck.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on August 28, 2015, 05:41:36 PM
That is cool art.

Ergophobe, probably more like what a 1940s guy would react to today.

Maybe. We can't know. But there are a few holes I could poke in this

1. in terms of a hunter/gatherer being brought into 1750 society, we did that experiment with thousands upon thousands of slaves and they didn't die from technological shock. They died from disease or mistreatment. As recently as 1911 we did the experiment again and again, Ishi didn't die from technological shock, but from disease. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishi

2. I think we're about the same age (52). As a kid, I remember all sorts of predictions about
 - space travel - remember the show Space 1999? Uh... dude, where's my spaceship
 - artificial intelligence - HAL: "Good morning Dave."
 - evolution: moving toward no jaw, spindly arms and big heads because everything was becoming automated... then POOF Jane Fonda, Richard Simmons, the deification of Navy Seals, steroids in bodybuilding.

There was a great quote from Arthur C Clarke upon the landing of the first Mars Rover where he said "If someone had told me in 1969 that in 2000? we would land a toaster on Mars and consider it a triumph, I would never have believed it."

The key thing is that 35 years isn't that much. We just saw the release of the first new storage technology in 26(?) years since Flash/SSD. After 26 years we still mostly use spinning platters in most low to mid-range machines.

The second thing is that the trends we see at present aren't necessarily the ones that will continue, let alone exponentially.

At 52 I look at my "Alzheimer's Horizon." If they nail down the actual cause of it tomorrow, and they take five years to find a "cure" and it takes five years to bring to market, I'm in just under the wire. But they still don't know the cause (amyloid plaque may cause it or it may be a defense mechanism, they still don't know).

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that the exponential increase makes sense when projecting longer time frames, but over shorter time frames we can peer into the near future and see how hard it is to change.

Imagine, for example, a completely new source of energy appeared tomorrow. A new type of plant that large amounts of energy at very low cost with no pollution. How long would it take before the world was entirely off coal and natural gas generating facilities?

In my neighborhood it took ten years to get over the squabbling on how to fund the sewer treatment plant upgrade - so it took literally 11 years to deploy an existing technology to fix a pressing problem (raw sewage going into the creek and notices of violation from the state water board).
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on August 28, 2015, 06:53:06 PM
I'm a little younger (43) but I watched a lot of reruns as a kid :-), so our cultural references are probably the same.  You make some good points.  Technological growth happens in fits and starts, and they don't happen across all areas at the same rate.  Just Monday I was at the California Science Center where they had an A-12 (the CIA's version of the SR-71 Blackbird) on display and I was thinking that this plane was developed 58 years ago and we still don't have anything that has toped it.  I am sure our best and brightest could with an unlimited budget make a jet powered plane that is marginally faster, but that's not likely to happen.


edit: grammar
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on August 28, 2015, 07:15:45 PM
>still don't have anything that has tops it
Well, not anything public.

>best and brightest
Hiring the brightest might be a tough sell. I wonder how the government competes against Google, Tesla, etc...
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on August 28, 2015, 09:20:49 PM
I'm a little younger (43)

Ah, I thought a little older. So you missed the moon landing.

If you were a six year-old kid in 1969 and watched moon landing, you felt like Star Trek was around the corner. And when it gets right down to it, I look at all the technology advance in my life and sort of yawn... it's so much less than I expected in these 46 years since then.

The one thing that does astound me is that I carry something in my pocket with more computing horsepower than the Cray II, the supercomputer that won the Cold War as it's know (which had a bit less juice than the iPhone 5 from what I've read).

We didn't even touch on medicine. Kurzweil has this incredible utopian view of medical advance. The thing is, look at cancer. Five-year survival rates have gone way up.... but the dirty little secret is that the main driver of that is diagnosis. More people are getting early diagnoses and many of these people were never going to die of cancer in the next five years anyway. In apples to apples comparisons, there hasn't been nearly that much progress against cancer.

So some of our positive view of the present is, I believe, unfounded.

And this is without even getting into questions of resource depletion, climate change, crippling govt debt and host of other real-world issues that can put a brake on "progress"
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rooftop on August 29, 2015, 10:59:30 PM
Who fancies living in a "people zoo"?

http://glitch.news/2015-08-27-ai-robot-that-learns-new-words-in-real-time-tells-human-creators-it-will-keep-them-in-a-people-zoo.html

Interesting read, although not quite as horrific as the headline.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on August 31, 2015, 04:19:46 PM
Interesting read, although not quite as horrific as the headline.

Actually less horrific and more interesting than the headline would suggest. The "people zoo" comment seems canned.

But for all the talk about Google using/not really using Latent Semantic Analysis (or LSI but I forget what the "I" is in that), here's something that supposedly is really using it to simulate natural language ability.... it's coming
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Brad on September 01, 2015, 10:24:19 PM
Dilbert:

http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-09-01
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on September 01, 2015, 10:46:04 PM
Heh, Scott Adams has a pretty interesting blog too.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: DogBoy on September 24, 2015, 10:45:45 PM
https://www.facebook.com/inverse/videos/878457932202655/

A mini me on a bike.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on October 05, 2015, 04:34:35 PM
Lots of sex with robots by 2050, less with each other:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/03/sex-in-2050-more-robots-less-humans.html

^^^^ = less babies

Maybe they won't need to kill us off, just subvert our reproductive cycle?
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on October 05, 2015, 04:51:19 PM
Of all the ways to go, I like that idea best, LM.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: nffc on October 08, 2015, 01:23:16 PM
"where an AI becomes better than humans at AI design, so that it can recursively improve itself without human help. If this happens, we may face an intelligence explosion that ultimately results in machines whose intelligence exceeds ours by more than ours exceeds that of snails."

Prof. Hawking

https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/3nyn5i/science_ama_series_stephen_hawking_ama_answers/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on October 08, 2015, 03:11:28 PM
Hawking has been warning about AI (and alien life) for many years now.  I personally believe that the likelihood of AI coming about is much more likely than a visit from another planet. 
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on October 08, 2015, 09:05:14 PM
Hawking has been warning about AI (and alien life) for many years now.  I personally believe that the likelihood of AI coming about is much more likely than a visit from another planet. 

I strongly agree. The problem with zipping between stars is that the energy cost is enormous. Radio signal, maybe. But actual visitors? Let's say I do not believe the alien abduction stories, but I do believe in humanity's ability to create tools that will screw us in the end.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on February 24, 2016, 06:44:38 AM
New Boston Dynamics bot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVlhMGQgDkY)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on February 25, 2016, 02:10:13 AM
I see we've already started to bully the robots. This won't end well.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: DrCool on February 25, 2016, 03:07:11 PM
I see we've already started to bully the robots. This won't end well.

That dude with the beard is kind of a jerk.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on February 25, 2016, 11:14:27 PM
Reddit gets it:  http://imgur.com/z8nxId1
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on February 26, 2016, 03:10:11 AM
Reddit gets it:  http://imgur.com/z8nxId1

Someone put a lot of work into that.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on March 01, 2016, 08:30:59 PM
Watch Google's robot 'Spot' play with Andy Rubin's real dog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7nhygaGOmo
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: JasonD on March 06, 2016, 06:42:27 PM
Is a crossbow is an effective tool to help feed you?

http://imgur.com/x8sbRnS
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on March 06, 2016, 07:01:55 PM
Yeah, that'll work.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on March 19, 2016, 10:14:48 PM
Panasonic gives us our first look at bionic factory workers

http://mashable.com/2016/03/19/panasonic-exoskeleton/

(One day, when I have the courage, I'm going to go back to the beginning of this thread and re-read it.)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on March 20, 2016, 12:27:16 AM
Ah, the power suit fad. That brief period before real machine efficiency was achieved.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on March 20, 2016, 12:53:18 AM
Yeah, think of the humans as 'training wheels.'
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on March 24, 2016, 04:15:23 PM
Microsoft deletes 'teen girl' AI after it became a Hitler-loving sex robot within 24 hours  (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/03/24/microsofts-teen-girl-ai-turns-into-a-hitler-loving-sex-robot-wit/)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: nffc on March 24, 2016, 04:27:17 PM
>Microsoft deletes 'teen girl' AI after it became a Hitler-loving sex robot within 24 hours

Interesting choice of name too, Tay (Tây) is Vietnamese for westerner/caucasian.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on March 24, 2016, 04:46:10 PM
Ha, prophetic.  It is probably not likely that the name influenced the behavior of the bot, but that would be very interesting if it did.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on March 25, 2016, 05:58:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLRLYPiaAoA

4 minutes, NSFW language. AI has first conversation with its creators.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on March 25, 2016, 06:06:38 PM
That was good.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on April 07, 2016, 12:12:31 PM
Stick a fork in it, we're toast.

Quote
The robots are 3D-printed in one single step using functional hydraulics.

“All you have to do is stick in a battery and motor, and you have a robot that can practically walk right out of the printer,” said Daniela Rus, director at MIT’s Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL).

https://www.rt.com/usa/338719-mit-3d-print-robot/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on April 07, 2016, 09:31:35 PM
DARPA recently christened its brand new Anti-Submarine Warfare Continuous Trail Unmanned Vessel (ACTUV). The autonomous vessel can travel on the high seas at speeds up to 27 knots for months on end without a single crew member.

http://gizmodo.com/darpas-new-robot-is-ready-to-go-submarine-hunting-1769608583
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on April 08, 2016, 04:28:37 PM
I am not sure if autonomy or remote control scares me more; they b oth have so much potential to go wrong.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on April 08, 2016, 11:50:56 PM
Pace of articles definitely increasing. Tipping point still maybe 2-3 yrs away?

Robots set to aid postal workers with deliveries in Germany

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-deutsche-post-germany-robots-idUSKCN0X41ZR
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on April 09, 2016, 01:32:39 AM
aid replace
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on April 09, 2016, 01:48:27 AM
>replace

In effect, they already are replacing those additional humans that would have to be hired to handle the increasing volume.  But an 'aid' to existing workers will slip by the DE labor unions.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on April 20, 2016, 04:47:59 PM
In Japan, an artificial intelligence has been appointed creative director

http://www.springwise.com/japan-artificial-intelligence-appointed-creative-director/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on April 21, 2016, 12:21:56 AM
>advertising and marketing agency

Now it's getting personal.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on April 27, 2016, 01:05:01 AM
Panasonic's pink Dalek delivery bot has been cleared for hospital work

http://www.theverge.com/2016/4/26/11507314/panasonic-hospi-r-delivery-bot-hospital-work
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on May 25, 2016, 07:27:16 PM
Foxconn replaces '60,000 factory workers with robots'

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36376966
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: buckworks on May 25, 2016, 08:04:42 PM
A quote from another forum:

"Displacing a large percentage of human labor without a plan in place to put that displaced labor to productive use is a sure-fire recipe for long-term crisis."
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rupert on May 31, 2016, 06:14:04 PM
Asus have it:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/31/asus-zenbo-robot-price-smartphone-voice-face

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The $599 (Ł410) robot rolls around on two wheels in the shape of a vacuum cleaner ball with cameras an oblong head extruding from the top with a colour touchscreen displaying a face with emotions. It is capable of independent movement, can respond to voice commands and has both entertainment protocols for keeping kids amused and home care systems to help look after older people.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on May 31, 2016, 06:34:37 PM
I was listening to the Tim Ferris interview with Marc Andreesen and he said that some econ group (World Economic Forum??, World Bank?) did a study saying that automated systems would destroy 5,000,000 jobs by 2020.

He put this in perspective by saying that the US economy destroyed 21,000,000 jobs last year and created 23,500,000. He pointed out that the rate of job destruction in the US has actually slowed over the last 50 years. So he doesnt' see a problem.

To me, he is missing the thing Ray Kurzweil says everyone misses - potential for exponential growth. Will the exponential growth in job destruction be matched by exponential growth in job creation?
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on May 31, 2016, 07:47:52 PM
Unless something better comes along, I plan to buy Ver2 or Ver3 of the Asus bot.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: DrCool on June 23, 2016, 05:08:52 PM
http://gizmodo.com/boston-dynamics-made-a-robot-baby-giraffe-that-can-do-y-1782491650

At least after this robot is doing taking over the world it can do the dishes. But it's one weakness seems to be banana peels.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on June 23, 2016, 05:23:29 PM
That looks like a very useful design for a home robot.  Man, a dish-washing robot would be such a golden goose.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: JasonD on June 30, 2016, 03:36:59 PM
This is old but blew me away.

Colin Furze is an eccentric video blogger  who was previously a plumber. He became famous through lots of his mad inventions.

This one tops the lot though. A bunker under his garden (funded by Sky TV)

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGjbAdaOBLBlS1MPKXYmqwZLZhWC1FAMx
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on July 06, 2016, 07:44:47 PM
 fast food workers should put their heads between their legs and kiss their collective asses $15 minimum wage goodbye

A Robot-Run Burger Joint Is Coming To San Francisco

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/robots/a21645/robot-run-burger-joint/

We want pix, LM.

BTW, a few months ago Wendy's corporate made a statement to analysts that said they were prioritizing the dev of ff robots.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on July 06, 2016, 08:33:31 PM
>South of Market area in San Francisco

That area has become extremely gentrified in recent years.  I am not sure that's the place to launch a robot made burger joint.  I mean, it will probably get some attention at first, but I could see the hipsters turning their collective noses up at it.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on July 08, 2016, 04:15:06 AM
This one freaks me out a little:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/robots/a21716/swimming-stingray-robot-rat-cells/

"By using living cells they were able to build this robot in a way that you just couldn't replicate with any other material," says Adam Feinberg, a roboticist at Carnegie Mellon University who has worked with Parker's team before, but was not involved in developing this new robot. "You shine a light, and it triggers the muscles to swim. You couldn't replicate this movement with on-board electronics and actuators while keeping it lightweight and maneuverable. And it really is remote controlled, like a TV set."
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rooftop on July 08, 2016, 12:17:14 PM
Just cam here to post this same link.  Sometimes this thread gives me genuine chills. This is one of those times.

Combine with this one for real nightmares http://www.alphr.com/technology/1003863/lab-grown-drones-could-be-the-future-of-warfare
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on July 08, 2016, 07:02:28 PM
The singularity won't come all at once...

http://qz.com/727153/the-dallas-police-department-used-a-bomb-robot-to-take-out-last-nights-sniper/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on July 08, 2016, 07:05:35 PM
Read the above?

Add a splash of this algo and now we're really getting somewhere:

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/scientists-taught-a-robot-to-hunt-prey-deep-learning-visualise
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: bill on July 09, 2016, 12:18:41 AM
It has started...

Use of police robot to kill Dallas shooting suspect believed to be first in US history
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/08/police-bomb-robot-explosive-killed-suspect-dallas
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on July 12, 2016, 03:56:57 AM
Yeah, that event definitely belongs in this thread.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on July 12, 2016, 08:54:59 PM
I keep reading this, but isn't this a misnomer? Isn't this a human-controlled machine that has no robotic (i.e. autonomous) function? I see no difference between this and shooting someone with a gun.

On the other hand...
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http://motherboard.vice.com/read/scientists-taught-a-robot-to-hunt-prey-deep-learning-visualise

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"One could imagine future luggage or shopping carts that follow you..."

... while carrying 1kg of C4 explosive and...

... run like humans
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/durus-robot-sneakers
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on July 12, 2016, 11:37:21 PM
It was a remote control machine, not an autonomous robot. Yet, it was a bomb strapped to a machine which created distance between the operator and the target -- much like a drone strike.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on July 12, 2016, 11:50:50 PM
created distance between the operator and the target -- much like a drone strike.

Or an atlatl. In an absolute sense, what's the difference?
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on July 13, 2016, 01:15:07 AM
I'd say the difference is the distance and an abstraction layer.


In other news:
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_30118119/report-security-robot-at-stanford-shopping-mall-injures

Related: My youngest (4y.o.) was on University Ave. in Palo Alto and was approached by one of these (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCmwxEusS8o) and it made her cry.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on July 13, 2016, 03:38:20 AM
Sure. But it's relative. It's like going from a cavalry charge to a rifle, which is a huge jump up in abstraction and distance and elicited all sorts of feelings about cowardly warfare etc etc... So it's a noteworthy change. And since you've listened to the Wrath of Khans, you know that a cavalry charge could get pretty bad.

It is *not*, however, like going from a human pulling the trigger to a robot pulling the trigger, which is why a struggle to understand why everyone keeps saying they used a robot and why everyone cares so much. Let's put it another way: would it have been different if they had pulled up a 105mm howitzer and blasted him with an artillery shell? To me that would be far worse, but it would be a completely different discussion.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rooftop on July 13, 2016, 01:44:45 PM
I find remote killing by police worrying, but I can't believe that more people aren't talking about the Police using a pound C4 to 'take out' a target.   Doesn't anyone else find that unbelievably disturbing? 
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: JasonD on July 13, 2016, 02:32:13 PM
> Police using a pound C4 to 'take out' a target.   Doesn't anyone else find that unbelievably disturbing?

No more disturbing than other common alternatives of delivering death.

A hail of bullets is expected, explosives are no more or less deadly than that.

Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on July 13, 2016, 08:37:40 PM
I'm with you Rooftop.  I hope this doesn't become the new normal.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on July 13, 2016, 11:09:52 PM
Whereas I'm with Jason. I find the effect the important thing, not the weapon.

I grabbed the Fresno Bee at the airport on my way out of town on Saturday and reading it in the plane was astounded to find out at that there were *two* stories about fatal police shootings in this town of 500,000 people, both of which were in the last couple of weeks. Were they bad guys? I don't know, but these cases weren't even on the national news. We have cops killing people every day all over America. What is troubling in America is the wanton killing. We have become so accustomed to people being shot it no longer seems shocking, but when the cops lob a pound of C4 it suddenly is.

From the perspective of the recipient and his family, he's just as dead. I guess it's just a matter of perspective, but I still can't see the difference.

Now, if it were an autonomous robot they used that got shown a picture of the bad guy and was let loose on it's own to do the killing I would see a major difference, but all that's changed here as near as I can tell is killing someone at a distance with a weapon that requires line of site versus killing someone at a distance with a weapon that uses a camera to see around the corner.

But I think we just simply see this differently. Agree or disagree, I like to at least see others' point of view, but here there's some gap that I just can't bridge...
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on July 14, 2016, 12:04:40 AM
Okay, I'll try to articulate my perspective.

When a police officer shoots someone there is suppose to be an immediate threat to his/her life or the lives of others.  This, of course, is not always the case.  Now we have a situation where the police were most likely very safe, they rolled up a remote control robot and blew someone up.  They didn't have to wait him out, or negotiate.

Will we some day have remote controlled robots doing raids on homes?  Will they be equipped with guns or bombs?  What happens if someone in that house brandishes a weapon,  or attacks a robot?  There would not be any immediate danger to human life, but can the police use deadly force to stop the attack?

Each time one creates a greater abstraction layer when it comes to killing it gets easier to do.  A drone strike on a building is much less intimate than hand to hand combat, no PTSD, much less accountability.  It will also be much harder to gather counter evidence on a scene if the place is blown up.  Is it a justifiable homicide?  Lets dig through the rubble...
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on July 14, 2016, 12:55:31 AM
Okay. I get your position now. I can see that. Thanks for taking the time!
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on July 14, 2016, 01:00:08 AM
no PTSD

You missed the memo on this one though
 - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/23/us/drone-pilots-found-to-get-stress-disorders-much-as-those-in-combat-do.html?_r=0
 - http://www.salon.com/2015/03/06/a_chilling_new_post_traumatic_stress_disorder_why_drone_pilots_are_quitting_in_record_numbers_partner/
 - http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/21655-air-force-worries-about-drone-pilot-ptsd
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on July 14, 2016, 01:50:03 AM
Okay, less PTSD.  I am sure those jobs are incredibly stressful, and I'd rather dig through trash to recycle cans than take one.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on July 14, 2016, 06:39:26 PM
Back to your original topic... I have been hearing for years of guns that would shoot around a corner with an explosive charge. It appears the military finally has them ready for testing
http://futurism.com/the-us-armys-has-a-new-smart-grenade-launcher-that-can-take-out-people-hiding-behind-cover/

I was thinking of those when I was thinking of the grey continuum between shooting someone with a bullet and delivering a charge with an RC machine.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on July 14, 2016, 08:22:42 PM
Some of those existed in WWII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z56SNHHL60U
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on July 19, 2016, 07:55:56 PM
This could go in the FBA thread too I guess.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/19/amazon-wants-to-use-lampposts-churches-as-drone-perches.html

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Amazon has been awarded a patent for "docking stations" for its delivery drones that will be built on tall structures such as lampposts or churches and allow the unmanned machines to recharge and pick up packages.

"The docking stations may incorporate a number of features to enable UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) to fly longer routes, to fly routes more accurately, and to provide shelter during adverse conditions," Amazon's U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) filing said.

Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rooftop on July 20, 2016, 01:16:48 PM
I read the URL first and spent several seconds pondering what a "lamp post church" was before reading the quote. 
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ukgimp on July 25, 2016, 12:53:09 PM
No worries people. Use bananas

https://plus.google.com/+Inewtechnology/posts/UsGN3M4ePsj
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on August 18, 2016, 01:57:54 AM
http://singularityhub.com/2016/08/14/ibms-new-artificial-neurons-a-big-step-toward-brain-like-computers/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on August 18, 2016, 07:22:47 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/uber-autonomous-cars-haul-people-125127470.html

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The ride-hailing company said Thursday that customers will be able to opt into the test program, which will use autonomous Ford Fusions summoned by the touch of a smartphone. Although other companies are testing self-driving cars on public roads, this is the first time the public will get access to them.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on August 30, 2016, 05:22:27 PM
https://shift.newco.co/the-real-reason-this-elephant-chart-is-terrifying-421e34cc4aa6

This article looks at global cumulative real income growth from 1988 to 2008 and does some analysis of what's going to happen in developing and developed countries as technology continues to replace jobs.

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Technology has gotten so cheap that it is now more economically viable to buy robots than it is to pay people $5 a day.
...
We need to be thinking hard, now, about technological unemployment. About the fact that while technology provides benefits to billions, the economic gains tend to be concentrated for a few. About the fact that we made up the idea of a job in the first place.

This is not a task for a small group of intellectual elites. This needs to be a collective conversation, from first principles: What should our global socioeconomic system look like?
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on August 30, 2016, 07:02:05 PM
I have this strange deja vu - I thought you already posted that and I already posted this

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2016/08/03/488611449/episode-715-the-sewing-robot

Sewing robots are coming.

Traditionally sewing has been a hugely hard automation problem because of sheer... that's close to solved.
Traditionally sewing has been a hugely important first industry to take the poorest countries into the middle, as it did with China (and England in some ways). This problem is yet to be solved. What will the new bridge industry be? What if there isn't one?
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on August 30, 2016, 07:20:22 PM
Yeah, you did post that Yeah, that was in RC's thread (http://th3core.com/talk/economics-investing/having-attained-middle-income-status-vietnam-aims-higher/); there have been a lot of articles on the topic lately.

Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on September 05, 2016, 06:56:46 PM
Standford 100 Year AI Report
https://ai100.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/ai_100_report_0831fnl.pdf
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on September 13, 2016, 04:46:19 PM
AI will eliminate 6 percent of jobs in five years (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/12/ai-will-eliminate-six-percent-of-jobs-in-five-years-says-report.html)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on September 15, 2016, 12:42:06 PM
Meanwhile, Atlas is working on his dexterity

https://i.imgur.com/nPaEsUJ.gifv
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on October 03, 2016, 12:16:41 AM
truck-mounted brick laying robot (updated version)

http://inhabitat.com/brick-laying-robot-stacks-1000-bricks-an-hour-to-build-a-house-in-2-days/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on October 03, 2016, 03:50:34 AM
The articular said "The adhesive eliminates the need for mortar, so the robot can build wall after wall in no time without human assistance." But there are clear gaps in the bricks.  Maybe the walls get a spray treatment of some kind to fill in the gaps?
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on October 03, 2016, 11:08:45 AM
>mortar

I noticed that, too, and searched the page. No mention of what they do that I found.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on October 04, 2016, 07:37:21 PM
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2016/10/04/governor-jerry-brown-signs-bill-to-allow.html?ana=yahoo

Quote
California Governor Jerry Brown signed a bill into law last week that allows autonomous vehicles to operate on public roads with no driver, steering wheel or human-operated breaks.

The new guidelines, released Friday, state that companies can test autonomous vehicles without a driver if they include a two-way communication link between the car’s passengers and a “remote operator.” The vehicle must also meet federal standards, including a 15-point safety assessment.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on October 05, 2016, 01:12:23 AM
Thieving little bastards...

http://i.imgur.com/lG8WcI5.gifv
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rumbas on October 05, 2016, 12:06:07 PM
Hahaha, wow.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on October 05, 2016, 04:57:02 PM
That plus self-driving tow trucks and you have quite an operation.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on November 02, 2016, 03:50:06 AM
AI creates encryption system that humans don't understand

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/28/ai_creates_its_own_encryption_system/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on November 02, 2016, 04:58:47 PM
That's really something, huh?  I could foresee a day when AI data encryption is outlawed in the private sector -- but I am sure it will not stop it from happening.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on November 02, 2016, 10:04:47 PM
I think that ship has sailed. Aren't there still laws on the export of strong encryption? I don't think they do very much.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Drastic on November 04, 2016, 08:45:46 PM
This could fit in several threads, I think I'll just drop it here:

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/04/elon-musk-robots-will-take-your-jobs-government-will-have-to-pay-your-wage.html
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on November 04, 2016, 09:56:05 PM
Years ago I was having a conversation with NFFC about how we are in the end days of someone being able to move up the the income ladder before the major restructuring.  Basically, if you aim to have wealth, you better start/keep accumulating now while you still can.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on November 07, 2016, 12:06:54 AM
This might interest NFFC. Sewing robot. http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/11/technology/robots-garment-manufacturing-sewbo/index.html
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rupert on November 07, 2016, 07:06:11 AM
thats cool.

Next stop a full suit.  It would work nicely in the bespoke world. Walk into the shop, measure, choose the fabric then watch it being made.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on November 07, 2016, 05:54:46 PM
This might interest NFFC. Sewing robot. http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/11/technology/robots-garment-manufacturing-sewbo/index.html

Planet Money had a podcast about this back in April that was pretty good.
http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2016/08/03/488611449/episode-715-the-sewing-robot
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rupert on December 03, 2016, 07:37:18 AM
Wasn't sure where to post this, it runs into several threads, but I see similar here:
http://www.businessinsider.com/stephen-hawking-ai-automation-middle-class-jobs-most-dangerous-moment-humanity-2016-12?r=UK&IR=T
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on December 05, 2016, 05:46:03 PM
No lines, no checkout, no registers, no jobs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrmMk1Myrxc)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on December 05, 2016, 06:10:19 PM
No lines, no checkout, no registers, no jobs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrmMk1Myrxc)

And... http://th3core.com/talk/water-coolerextra/another-amazon-breakthrough/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on December 09, 2016, 09:57:31 PM
The McDonald's self-service kiosk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbWfmWCkauQ)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on December 10, 2016, 11:05:09 PM
Why the McDonald's self-service kiosk doesn't threaten as many jobs as you might think
http://fortune.com/2015/08/25/mcdonalds-self-service-kiosk-problem/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on December 10, 2016, 11:39:14 PM
Interesting.  I suppose they could do the 'kiosk' via a cell phone app that would take care of the drive-though people.  Hmm... I guess that would be technically illegal and dangerous unless they order before they pull up to the drive-though.  This won't be an issue when self-driving cars become widely adapted.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on December 25, 2016, 06:06:18 AM
World's largest hedge fund replaces human managers with AI
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/22/bridgewater-associates-ai-artificial-intelligence-management
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on December 25, 2016, 08:08:41 AM
One of my wife's cousins is an AI engineer.  He was working for a hedge fund between working for MS and Google.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on December 27, 2016, 03:41:11 AM
Fox news on how driverless cars will change employment in the next 10 years (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t58UYk_gakk)

I was surprised by the tone by the host on FOX, as I usually think of the network as pro-business and not very concern about the casualties of technology.  The next 20 years are going to be a very bad time for people with moderate intelligence.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on December 27, 2016, 04:41:15 AM
bad time for people with moderate intelligence.

I honestly don't think intelligence has a lot to do with it. I think it's more a question of education (type, more than amount) and adaptability (which is partly a function of wealth, that is, having a cushion to ramp up in a new field).

It's more luck and adaptability. There are some really smart people in the wrong industries - as the Fox host mentioned, think about bookstores. I actually loved some of the interviewer comments and how he was able to go big picture...

"Thank you for acknowledging reality" (after saying that these out of work drivers were not going to become software engineer

"The tech industry doesn't own the roads." (making the point that it's going to cause a lot of economic dislocation for workers and making the point that if you take away 4 million driving jobs and reduce the 30,000 traffic deaths per year, there will be some offset in "slow suicide" by oxycontin and cirrhosis of the liver).

"Nobody in my world cares about this at all. Nobody in 'rich person world' thinks about this."

I don't know Tucker Carlson, but he's an interesting character, based on his Wikipedia article
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At the 2009 Conservative Political Action Conference, Carlson was booed for saying that the journalists at The New York Times care about accuracy.

On the Iraq war
Quote
I think it's a total nightmare and disaster, and I'm ashamed that I went against my own instincts in supporting it. It's something I'll never do again. Never. I got convinced by a friend of mine who's smarter than I am, and I shouldn't have done that. No. I want things to work out, but I'm enraged by it, actually.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on December 27, 2016, 04:58:07 AM
I don't disagree with you, there will most likely be a lot of smart people who are going to not be able to adapt and of course luck and timing are huge too.  There will be plenty of smart and skilled people who are going to be hurt from automation as well. 

That said, for the type of people who's most marketable assets are a capable body and showing up to work on time things will be particularly rough.  BTW, I had a conversation with a baby-boomer who also is concern about this trend; more evidence that awareness is spreading.


>>I actually loved some of the interviewer comments

He was reprimanded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE)by Jon Stewart years ago on CrossFire for making a mockery of news.  Maybe it had an impact?
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on December 27, 2016, 05:28:41 PM
That said, for the type of people who's most marketable assets are a capable body

My sister has an engineering degree and an MBA from Harvard, but she was in the same job for a long time and is of a certain age and it turns out to be not that easy to find decent-paying work even for her. I think the big advantage will be based not on intelligence, but on people who have made regular career switches if for no other reason than the contact list you have from doing that.

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He was reprimanded by Jon Stewart years ago on CrossFire for making a mockery of news.  Maybe it had an impact?

Interesting. I don't watch any broadcast TV at home, but when I am out and about, I see Fox pretty often and most of their anchors infuriate me. This was an exception. And the recent Megyn Kelly interview on Fresh Air was impressive actually. Now that Glenn Beck has repeatedly apologized for the toxic effect he has had on American media and politics, perhaps Tucker Carlson is in a similar vein. I'd never heard of the guy until your clip.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: grnidone on January 23, 2017, 07:28:15 PM
I want to see an intelligent robot that is able to harvest soft produce:  tomatoes, berries, peaches, etc.

I'm tired of people making robots that are meant to blast the crap out of people.  I want to see a robot that helps people.

Go ahead Mackin, call me a f*cking hippy.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on January 24, 2017, 04:08:34 AM
You're behind the times... they've been available for a while now, at least for grapes.

Basically, robotics now is mostly a cost analysis - what is the final cost to get a product to market with and without robots. If He Who Shall Not Be Named builds a wall and ejects all the undocumented immigrants, expect to see a big uptick in orders for fruit-picking robots.

Grape-picking robot from 2012 (aka "olden times" in AI/robotics years)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2209975/Meet-Wall-Ye-The-French-grape-picking-robot-work-day-night--vineyard-workers-job.html

2013 - robotic strawberry picker
https://www.asme.org/engineering-topics/articles/robotics/smart-robots-for-picking-fruit

2016 - apples... still experimental
http://www.goodfruit.com/growers-get-peek-at-automatic-picking-machine-video/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on February 21, 2017, 09:11:26 PM
DIY overlord

https://blog.adafruit.com/2017/02/21/tictactoe-robot/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on February 28, 2017, 12:28:44 PM
The latest generation at Boston Dynamics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7xvqQeoA8c
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: JasonD on February 28, 2017, 12:55:49 PM
>The latest generation at Boston Dynamics

we're f###ed!
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Mackin USA on February 28, 2017, 01:35:07 PM
UN Report: Robots Will Replace Two-Thirds of All Workers in the Developing World [THEY ARE f###ed]

https://futurism.com/un-report-robots-will-replace-two-thirds-of-all-workers-in-the-developing-world/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on February 28, 2017, 03:23:06 PM
That BD robot is just incredible, I mean the way it can jump,  wow.

Re the UN report: It is going to be an economic bomb, like the bubonic plage.  In much of Western Europe the serfs who survived ended up with more freedom, but in the Slavic counties they basically became slaves.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on February 28, 2017, 10:46:17 PM
Looks like Mashable sees the end result of this trend with BD's new metallic demon. I'm posting this just for their headline:

This parkour robot overlord has 'Terminator' written all over it

http://mashable.com/2017/02/28/boston-dynamics-reveal-highly-anticipated-agile-handle-robot/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ukgimp on March 01, 2017, 10:38:54 AM
https://i.imgur.com/dX4w7XN.gifv
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: buckworks on March 02, 2017, 05:01:03 PM
The Pentagon is building a ‘self-aware’ killer robot army fueled by social media

Official US defence and NATO documents confirm that autonomous weapon systems will kill targets, including civilians, based on tweets, blogs and Instagram

https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-pentagon-is-building-a-self-aware-killer-robot-army-fueled-by-social-media-bd1b55944298#.2j1gn55f4
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on March 02, 2017, 05:18:03 PM
>based on tweets, blogs and Instagram

Facebook, too, I hope. Sounds like a great way to cull the herd.  Forum-dwellers will inherit the earth.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on March 02, 2017, 08:49:29 PM
What could go wrong?
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: JasonD on March 02, 2017, 10:31:15 PM
At least once they kill us all they'll tidy the bloodbath up after themselves...

https://vimeo.com/190027585
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: JasonD on March 08, 2017, 01:51:13 PM
http://i.imgur.com/etyfb3z.gif

I wouldn't worry just yet
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on March 10, 2017, 08:11:34 PM
https://www.ghostrobotics.io/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnKOeMoibLg
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: bill on March 14, 2017, 11:09:44 PM
it has begun...

A rogue robot is blamed for a human colleague’s gruesome death
https://qz.com/931304/a-robot-is-blamed-in-death-of-a-maintenance-technician-at-ventra-ionia-main-in-michigan/

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On March 7, her husband, William Holbrook, filed a wrongful death complaint (pdf) in Michigan federal court, naming five North American robotics companies involved in engineering and integrating the machines and parts used at the plant: Prodomax, Flex-N-Gate, FANUC, Nachi, and Lincoln Electric. Holbrook's job involved keeping robots in working order. She routinely inspected and adjusted processes on the assembly line at Ventra, which makes bumpers and trailer hitches. One day, Holbrook was performing her regular duties when a machine acted very irregularly, according to the lawsuit reported in Courthouse News. Holbrook was in the plant's six-cell "100 section" when a robot unexpectedly activated, taking her by surprise. The cells are separated by safety doors and the robot should not have been able to move. But it somehow reached Holbrook, and was intent on loading a trailer-hitch assembly part right where she stood over a similar part in another cell. The machine loaded the hardware onto Holbrook's head. She was unable to escape, and her skull was crushed. Co-workers who eventually noticed that something seemed amiss found Holbrook dead. William Holbrook seeks an unspecified amount of damages, arguing that before her gruesome death, his wife "suffered tremendous fright, shock and conscious pain and suffering." He also names three of the defendants -- FANUC, Nachi, and Lincoln Electric -- in two additional claims of product liability and breach of implied warranty. He argues that the robots, tools, controllers, and associated parts were not properly designed, manufactured or tested, and not fit for use.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: DogBoy on April 15, 2017, 08:09:46 PM
Ok, stop the clock, we have our first high profile shooter bot...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EJn9UgADcPY&ebc=ANyPxKo_bACcIWWIdwNFtzpM8Z9SqKhFIYMDLdLwgTN5MiL0QmAf_XSHranAKiFIEm-nvK_RdC4hyB2NUTXEapQAigcJQmao0g
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on April 18, 2017, 05:59:13 PM
Will sex workers be able to compete with robots that don’t feel degradation, tiredness, fear or sadness? (http://factor-tech.com/feature/will-sex-workers-be-able-to-compete-with-robots-that-dont-feel-degradation-tiredness-fear-or-sadness/)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on May 24, 2017, 10:13:23 PM


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Dubai police added a robotic officer to its force, and plans to add more over the next few years. (Don’t worry, it doesn’t have a gun.)

...The city plans on recruiting a lot of the bots so they eventually make up 25 percent of the force by 2030.

The police department's one robot already patrolled the Gulf Information Security Expo and Conference in the United Arab Emirates this week. Next up is patrolling the massive Dubai Mall, which posted that the robot loves selfies and will be around all week.

The robot, first launched in 2011, is from Spanish company PAL Robotics. The robocop is a REEM, a full-sized humanoid robot that can speak and understand several languages.


http://mashable.com/2017/05/24/robocop-dubai-robot-police/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Drastic on May 25, 2017, 02:28:29 AM
Oh sh##, it has begun.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on June 09, 2017, 09:58:40 PM
Making the rounds right now:
The Rise of the Machines – Why Automation is Different this Time  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSKi8HfcxEk&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rupert on June 11, 2017, 07:21:46 AM
I liked that Vid, it ends on a half positive....  something like:  "This could be a seminal moment for mankind"
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Rooftop on August 12, 2017, 07:31:25 AM
Robot drones arrived with machine guns and grenade launchers anyone?


US firm reveals gun-toting drone that can fire in mid-air - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40901393
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on February 12, 2018, 10:49:37 PM
Wait for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUyU3lKzoio  Boston Dynamics
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on February 13, 2018, 12:59:20 AM
Have you seen the Black Mirror episode inspired by these things?
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on February 13, 2018, 01:27:12 AM
>Black Mirror

No, I don't watch any tv, netflix, etc.  But I've sure seen a crapload of headlines comparing this to Black Mirror.  (In fact, I eventually had to filter it out. Judging from the 'flow' volume, it must be a popular series. Not quite a Game of Thrones but getting stronger than Stranger Things.)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on February 13, 2018, 01:54:27 AM
Its sort of a 21st century, SciFi version of the Twilight Zone.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on February 25, 2018, 05:26:15 PM
I suppose everyone has seen this

There's more than one way to kill.

https://imgur.com/gUJxpmD
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on March 07, 2018, 02:49:26 AM
“I’m just an engineer” says engineer who designed AI to identify gang members to help police.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/02/artificial-intelligence-could-identify-gang-crimes-and-ignite-ethical-firestorm

https://twitter.com/hypervisible/status/970276540419395584
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Chunkford on March 07, 2018, 02:24:59 PM
I suppose everyone has seen this

There's more than one way to kill.

https://imgur.com/gUJxpmD

She's It's already on the hunt
(https://i.imgur.com/cSBROeH.gif)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on March 22, 2018, 07:10:59 PM
Robots Are Trying To Pick Strawberries. So Far, They're Not Very Good At It (https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/03/20/592857197/robots-are-trying-to-pick-strawberries-so-far-theyre-not-very-good-at-it)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on May 11, 2018, 02:22:23 AM
No sleep tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrF4tAzMthw

Be sure to watch the office navigation.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Brad on May 11, 2018, 10:42:16 AM
No sleep tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrF4tAzMthw

Be sure to watch the office navigation.

RC that yellow one in the office is your new Robotic Puppy!  Hhh
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on May 19, 2018, 09:01:52 PM
Boston Dynamics' SpotMini robot dog goes on sale in 2019 (https://www.cnet.com/news/boston-dynamics-spotmini-robot-dog-goes-on-sale-in-2019/)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on May 21, 2018, 04:03:43 PM
Boston Dynamics' SpotMini robot dog goes on sale in 2019 (https://www.cnet.com/news/boston-dynamics-spotmini-robot-dog-goes-on-sale-in-2019/)

Remember the first time someone died in a crash where a Tesla was on auto-pilot and it was covered like it was an imminent threat to all right-driving people? Just wait for this!
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on June 15, 2018, 11:12:28 PM
Boston Dynamics Shows Latest Advancements in Robotics at CEBIT 2018. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZgNPmeaTjo&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on June 16, 2018, 01:04:04 AM
I find that black one to be particularly creepy.

Good to see they put Atlas to work in the shipping department. He needed a job.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Drastic on June 19, 2018, 02:58:28 PM
I think useful bot tools like this one will creep in and wreck things unintentionally while we're looking at the big legged ones of the (near) future.

https://gfycat.com/TiredFixedGardensnake
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on October 02, 2018, 12:11:21 AM
Humanoid construction robot installs drywall by itself

https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/01/aist-humanoid-robot-installs-drywall/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on December 01, 2018, 02:40:39 AM
Autonomous AI security robot spotted patrolling Tokyo train station【Photos】

https://soranews24.com/2018/12/01/autonomous-ai-security-robot-spotted-patrolling-tokyo-train-station%E3%80%90photos%E3%80%91/

Read to the bottom. Bill has been neutralized.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on December 06, 2018, 09:36:06 PM
Walmart will soon use hundreds of A.I. robot janitors to scrub the floors of US stores

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The world's largest retailer by revenue will soon have autonomous robots scrubbing the floors of hundreds of Walmart stores across the U.S. Walmart will deploy 360 floor-scrubbing robots armed with computer vision and AI capabilities in hundreds of its stores by the end of January 2019, the company said this week in a joint press release with San Diego-based AI company Brain Corporation.

.......

Walmart has already deployed robots to take over other work usually performed by human employees, including using shelf-scanning robots in dozens of US stores to search for inventory and prices while also locating misplaced items.

Walmart is looking to rely more and more on automation in the future — an evolution that could free up current employees to perform more efficient, higher value tasks, but which some critics worry could also result in lower wages and fewer jobs at a company that is currently America's largest private employer with over 1.5 million paid workers.


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/05/walmart-will-use-hundreds-of-ai-robot-janitors-to-scrub-store-floors.html
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on December 15, 2018, 04:35:12 PM
Rise of the Machines: Here's how much robots and A.I. progressed in 2018 | Digital Trends

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/biggest-ai-robot-advances-2018/

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Amazon and Walmart add more robots, but insist they won’t terminate jobs

https://www.fastcompany.com/90279838/amazon-and-walmart-add-more-robots-but-insist-they-wont-terminate-jobs


>insist they won’t terminate jobs

Like compound interest, attrition is a helluva force.  And it lets company PR departments make technically true bullshit statements.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: DrCool on January 08, 2019, 07:44:56 PM
Robot delivery dogs deployed by self-driving cars are coming:

https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/07/robot-delivery-dogs-deployed-by-self-driving-cars-are-coming/?fbclid=IwAR1nIdY_dlrtL03isqMNj3oaOeLRJDdgwG_ssPZKaCfZYa2OZe6yfD0iBXA
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on January 08, 2019, 09:25:41 PM
Ground based delivery dogs make more sense than delivery drones.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Brad on January 09, 2019, 12:14:46 AM
Ground based delivery dogs make more sense than delivery drones.

We have squirrels here.  Just saying.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on January 09, 2019, 01:36:10 AM
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Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on January 17, 2019, 01:24:45 AM
Swiss Scientists Have Trained Their Dog-Like Robot to Better Fend Off Its Human Oppressors
https://gizmodo.com/swiss-scientists-have-trained-their-dog-like-robot-to-b-1831809007


Scroll down to the self-righting pix.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on March 15, 2019, 01:40:05 AM
There is a bit of a lesson in the Boeing 737 MAX debacle.  That plane has machine overrides flight controls of the pilot when ithe hidden autopilot concludes the plane is heading into a stall.  It looks like they have been working with malfunctioning parts that are sending false data.  This results in the pitch on the tail wing forcing the airplanes down and the yokes set up to resist human override by causing more resistance on pulling up than diving down.

So, humans died because Boeing had more faith in the AI of those systems than human judgment.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on March 16, 2019, 04:40:31 PM
>Boeing had more faith in the AI of those systems than human judgment.

Perhaps the right idea, too soon.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on March 16, 2019, 07:26:48 PM
>too soon.

The thing about AI is that as long as it is based on human design and decision logic it will still be as fallible as any other human endeavor.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on April 19, 2019, 11:15:24 PM
https://campaignagainstsexrobots.org/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: gm66 on April 23, 2019, 03:22:44 PM
A great channel for the latest updates in neural nets/machine learning/deep learning : https://www.youtube.com/user/keeroyz
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on May 24, 2019, 12:29:37 PM
Ford's creepy new humanoid robot "Digit" delivers packages

https://www.fastcompany.com/90354898/yes-fords-new-deliverybot-is-creepy-but-maybe-thats-a-good-thing
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on May 27, 2019, 09:45:56 PM
UK: world's first raspberry-picking robot set to work
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/may/26/world-first-fruit-picking-robot-set-to-work-artificial-intelligence-farming
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: gm66 on May 28, 2019, 10:10:50 PM
UK: world's first raspberry-picking robot set to work
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/may/26/world-first-fruit-picking-robot-set-to-work-artificial-intelligence-farming

Goodbye hot Eastern European girls in their 20's bending over in the fields ;+}
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on May 28, 2019, 10:24:24 PM
I think of raspberries as one of the more fragile fruit, but also one of the more predictable (color as reliable indicator of ripeness, amount of tension required to pick one). Still... pretty incredible.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on September 12, 2019, 07:02:13 PM
https://xkcd.com/652/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on September 12, 2019, 08:07:00 PM
>>xkcd

This is my chief complaint about sci-fi movies. There is NO scenario in which "switching to manual" is going to save you in the robot apocalypse or while flying your faster-than-light rocket fighter.

I went through a period of reading a lot of old Asimov and Clarke and remember one book where, as they are preparing to jump to hyper-light speed, the navigator pulls out his ephemeris and slide rule to plot the course. FTL-drive was completely believable. A computer that would fit inside a spaceship and calculate trajectories was, of course, unimaginable. And these were books from the late 1950s and early 1960s when we were less than a decade from just such a computer.

PS - the hover text is usually a followup joke. This time, it isn't.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on September 13, 2019, 12:49:40 PM
>>>xkcd

Getting serious about armed ground robots
https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/dsei/2019/09/13/getting-serious-about-armed-ground-robots/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on September 13, 2019, 07:16:30 PM
Radio signals could be jammed, so eventually there will be a pushed towards autonomy.  For now we have the increase risk of tyranny that killing without one's own forces being put in danger will provide.  AI with bombs and bullet may be much worse.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on September 13, 2019, 09:39:58 PM
I love coming to the The Core for my daily dose of sunshine and rainbows ;-)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on September 13, 2019, 10:08:05 PM
Sorry Ergo.  I think part of the problem is that we all could agree on what's bad, but what is good news is up to interpretation.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on September 13, 2019, 10:34:48 PM
That's okay. I have my crystalologist and astrologer on staff to counterbalance this.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on September 14, 2019, 08:05:37 PM
>>>xkcd >drones  ...going for the jugular.

Saudi Arabia cuts oil output by 5 million barrels following drone attacks
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/14/business/saudi-oil-output-impacted-drone-attack/index.html
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on November 14, 2019, 03:11:40 AM
Aach!  This might be the creepiest one yet.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/dvv58u/rescue_robot_snake_that_can_sift_through_rubble/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on November 14, 2019, 05:38:47 PM
I had a terrible fear of snakes as a kid and am still not much of a fan. I am also mildly claustrophobic. So this is basically my nightmare scenario - trapped in a rubble heap unable to move and what comes to save me? A snake.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on November 17, 2019, 02:00:26 AM
https://xkcd.com/2228/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: nffc on November 24, 2019, 05:55:27 AM
Swarming drones play the James Bond theme. Genuinely terrifying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sUeGC-8dyk&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Drastic on November 25, 2019, 06:31:24 PM
Not only is that really cool, that vid is almost 8 years old.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on March 02, 2020, 12:19:16 AM
>almost 8 years old

Fast-forward:

Turkey’s Killer Drone Swarm Poses Syria Air Challenge to Putin
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-01/turkey-s-killer-drone-swarm-poses-syria-air-challenge-to-putin
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on March 02, 2020, 04:24:02 AM
If fighter jets had stock-market style pricing, I wonder what the value of a $152,000,000 F-22 Raptor just fell to.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on March 02, 2020, 04:30:07 AM
Elon Musk tells a room full of Air Force pilots: 'The fighter jet era has passed'

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/elon-musk-says-the-fighter-jet-era-has-passed.html
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Brad on March 02, 2020, 12:08:07 PM
Elon Musk tells a room full of Air Force pilots: 'The fighter jet era has passed'

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/elon-musk-says-the-fighter-jet-era-has-passed.html

I've been wondering when somebody would mention this.  We keep building supercarriers for the USN, but we should also be designing smaller carriers for drones.

Manned aircraft aren't dead yet tho, sooner or later somebody will come up with electronic counter measures ECM to jam drones.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on March 02, 2020, 05:56:46 PM
Surface ships are also doomed until lasers catch up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtXx3Qubmys&feature=youtu.be&t=117
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on March 02, 2020, 06:25:04 PM
>sooner or later somebody will come up with electronic counter measures ECM to jam drones.

And that's when AI kicks in with the potential for out terminator scenario.

There is also this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M730_Burevestnik

Apparently the US was working on this technology in the 1960s but abandon it because it had too high a risk of radiation fallout. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZHONQAMV48)
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: rcjordan on March 02, 2020, 08:20:28 PM
Surface ships are also doomed. Period. FTFY
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: gm66 on March 03, 2020, 10:32:08 AM
Airburst EMP.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on March 03, 2020, 04:06:02 PM
Airburst EMP.

Ha! So the plot twist that always drives me insane in sci-fi is when they "switch to manual." My logic being that any culture that can flit between the stars will have such advanced AI that the very next thing that happens to a ship after it switches to manual is that it will explode.

But if you launch a huge airburst EMP, that will fry all the electronics in a certain radius, yours and theirs. So the drones are dead, but now you have to actually switch to manual and the plucky band of humans led by an aging Bruce Willis wins again.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: gm66 on March 05, 2020, 11:25:58 AM
An aging Bruce Willis plus his plucky young co-star who will eventually replace him.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Mackin USA on March 06, 2020, 12:22:09 PM
Minimum-Wage Blowback - Fast Food Burger-Flipping Robot Works For $3 An Hour

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/fast-food-robot-works-3-hour
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on March 06, 2020, 03:57:52 PM
Minimum-Wage Blowback

Well, at $3/hour, there is no minimum wage that is going to keep that robot from coming.

There are some good minimum wage studies from places where they have raised the minimum wage and you can make direct comparisons across city and state lines. Generally speaking, raising the minimum wage has generally not cost jobs. Some research shows that it does.

So at one end is the CBO study that says that raising the minimum wage to $15 across the US would result in 1.3 million jobs lost AND 1.3 million people raised out of poverty. I'll leave it to you to decide whether or not that's a good thing, but I feel that people who work full-time should not be living in poverty, especially not given the gains that have gone to the top 10% over the last 40 years.

Other research shows much smaller job loss and if you look at what has actually happened, results have been mixed. Unemployment in NY rose slightly while in SFO it did not. Some research has adjusted these numbers for what happened in neighboring cities and states to isolate the effects of raising the minimum wage and has shown that job loss from raising the minimum wage is less than predicted in simple models, because low-income people spend their money locally, whereas when the gains go to high-income people, as they have since the 1970s, they put that money into investments and such that do not benefit the local economy.

https://psmag.com/news/what-the-research-says-about-a-15-minimum-wage
https://www.epi.org/publication/minimum-wage-testimony-feb-2019/
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/15-minimum-wage-reduces-poverty-doesnt-cut-jobs-berkeley-study-says-2019-07-08

There may or may not be some job loss due to raising the wages of the lowest-paid workers, but what's the point of full-time jobs that pay for nothing except living at home with your parents on their health insurance and eating their food?

Over half of fast food workers are over 21. Many live in poverty.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fast-food-jobs-real_n_6028404

Minimum wage kept pace with productivity from 1945 to 1970, at which point they became decoupled and productivity gains accrued to the wealthy rather than to everyone. If minimum wage had remained coupled to productivity gains, it would now be over $20 per hour. If it had merely tracked with inflation, it would be $11.58.

I worked plenty of minimum wage jobs early on, but it was a different world. Much minimum-wage work is now better done by a robot. With the rise of Just In Time Scheduling and intense surveillance, most minimum-wage jobs are far, far worse than the ones that I had 30 or 40 years ago.

Compared to a minimum-wage worker of today, I not only had 38% higher pay, I also had a more steady schedule, more hours per week, the ability to do multiple things (school and work or multiple jobs) because of the steadier scheduling.

Honestly, I say that if the best we can do for people are jobs that have erratic schedules where people are essentially on-call every day so they can't combine multiple jobs, get short shifts, are scheduled to stay below 29 hours per week to keep them from qualifying for benefits, are paid $7.25/hour, we are better off as a society if those jobs just go away and we find other ways to help those people live.

As it is now, our entire welfare system - food stamps, Medicaid, etc - is basically one big subsidy to the fast food industry.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: littleman on March 06, 2020, 06:41:45 PM
This is where UBI comes into play.  If minimum wage stays where it is, but then gets augmented by UBI we get the benefit of boosted wages without the downward pressure on employment. 
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on March 06, 2020, 06:44:31 PM
> $3/hour

These are just "early adopter" rates and will come down quickly.
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on March 07, 2020, 03:23:20 AM
These are just "early adopter" rates and will come down quickly.

Exactly. In the long run, there's no wage that will compete with that. Complaining, unreliable humans willing to work for free will not compete against a good robot. There is no wage that can bring the elevator operator back.

>>This is where UBI comes into play.

Go Yang!

I have mixed feelings though. Do we want to be in a society where some people are paid so little for socially useful full-time work (I consider serving food socially useful) that they can only survive if they get a UBI. Nick Hanauer, who was a major force behind the Seattle $15/hr min wage and is not convinced about UBI always says, "We know how to increase the income of people at the bottom. Pay people more." One of the things that struck me in Switzerland was how much more people made at the bottom and all the follow-on effects of that on Swiss society.

On the other hand, I heard something in the context of a discussion about combating climate change. One person was saying, "There's no reason we can't do this. We have all the technology we need to solve the climate change problem."

The other person said, "We have the technology to solve poverty too. It's called money. We have the technology to solve hunger. It's called food. But we haven't solved those problems yet either."

I can't get that retort out of my head.

On the
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: nffc on May 09, 2020, 06:32:52 PM
Robot patrolling Singapore park reminding people to obey keep social distance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viuR7N6E2LA
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on May 18, 2020, 03:31:08 AM
CAPTCHA updated for the robot apocalypse
https://xkcd.com/2228/
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Mackin USA on May 22, 2020, 11:18:59 AM
Chinese state news agency unveils 'the world's first 3D AI anchor' after 'cloning' a human reporter

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8343441/Chinese-state-news-agency-unveils-worlds-3D-AI-anchor.html
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: gm66 on May 22, 2020, 11:57:58 PM
They're not clever though are they? Okay we have what used to be Boston Dynamics, but autonomy is missing. All this fear of AI, even the most advanced stuff, like AlphaGO, is just advanced pattern-matching. Even the algos in modern rendering pipelines, it's amazing what they can do, but there's no sentience, there's no hope for a general-purpose AI for decades i think, one of the main bottlenecks being power-efficient actuators, let alone intelligience.




Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: ergophobe on June 16, 2020, 08:44:00 PM
I thought I posted this, but it's a good perspective that isn't heard often enough

HOW HARD WILL THE ROBOTS MAKE US WORK?
https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/27/21155254/automation-robots-unemployment-jobs-vs-human-google-amazon

TL;DR. The problem isn't that robots will eliminate the low-level jobs, it's that they will inhabit the low-level management jobs and make life miserable for everyone on down the pike
Title: Re: Terminator Scenario
Post by: Travoli on January 19, 2021, 10:56:37 PM
Doesn't get much more "Terminator Scenario" than this:

"The thought of living tissue and machinery meshed together brings up images of grotesque cyborgs and far-future sci-fi films, but at the Army Research Laboratory a robot with living, organic muscles may not be that far off.

ARL’s Combat Capabilities Development Command is teaming up with universities in North Carolina to develop studies in bio-hybrid robotics.

The idea is just as fantastical as you may be imagining. ARL wants to fuse living tissue with cold metal to build robots that may be able to gain the agility and versatility of living creatures."

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/defense-main/2021/01/army-is-working-on-frankenbots-with-living-tissue-to-better-robot-capabilities/