Author Topic: The other virus that worries Asia  (Read 742 times)

ergophobe

  • Inner Core
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 9331
    • View Profile
The other virus that worries Asia
« on: January 15, 2021, 07:21:24 PM »
I was getting concerned that people might not have enough anxiety and worry, so just to make sure your stores are topped up...

"The death rate for Nipah virus is up to 75% and it has no vaccine. While the world focuses on Covid-19, scientists are working hard to ensure it doesn't cause the next pandemic."
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210106-nipah-virus-how-bats-could-cause-the-next-pandemic

rcjordan

  • I'm consulting the authorities on the subject
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16437
  • Debbie says...
    • View Profile
Re: The other virus that worries Asia
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2021, 08:15:17 PM »
Don't get me started.

 “If we don't stop it, entire ecosystems will collapse due to starvation.”

Why insect populations are plummeting—and why it matters
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2019/02/why-insect-populations-are-plummeting-and-why-it-matters/

Birds 'falling out of the sky' in mass die-off in south-western US | Birds | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/16/birds-falling-out-of-the-sky-in-mass-die-off-in-south-western-us-aoe


rcjordan

  • I'm consulting the authorities on the subject
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16437
  • Debbie says...
    • View Profile
Re: The other virus that worries Asia
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2021, 08:19:02 PM »
On the positive side, maybe this will work out.

A Bill Gates Venture Aims To Spray Dust Into The Atmosphere To Block The Sun. What Could Go Wrong?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2021/01/11/bill-gates-backed-climate-solution-gains-traction-but-concerns-linger/

ergophobe

  • Inner Core
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 9331
    • View Profile
Re: The other virus that worries Asia
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2021, 11:09:30 PM »
>>block the sun

Well, that's a whole can of worms and still so controversial in climate action circles. For the longest time, people refused to consider it because it creates moral hazard. If the tech exists to cool the planet, why not just burn as much fossil fuel as you want?

So on the "anti" side they say:

1. It creates moral hazard.

2. It could have catastrophic side effects or turn out to be much harder to "tune" than believed.

3. Once developed, it poses all manner of justice issues. Some regions are already benefiting from global warming - farming keeps moving north in Canada. So who gets to decide that it's okay to put those farmers out of business?

On the flip side, the people in favor of intentional geoengineering argue a few things:

1. Exxon and BP and you and me have been allowed to geo-engineer for decades with impunity. Everyone is allowed to engage in almost any action that *causes* global warming, but suddenly it's forbidden when people want to engage in an action to stop it.

2. The hour is getting late and we're not doing well. If we're going to avert the worst, we need bridge technologies to stave off collapse while we get our sh## together.

3. Even if we don't use it, we should research it so if we *do* need to use it, we know how.

rcjordan

  • I'm consulting the authorities on the subject
  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16437
  • Debbie says...
    • View Profile
Re: The other virus that worries Asia
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2021, 11:30:41 PM »
geoengineering --now is the time to sit up and take notice

China is scaling up its weather modification programme – here's why we should be worried | Climate change | The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/15/china-scaling-up-weather-modification-programme-we-should-be-worried

ergophobe

  • Inner Core
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 9331
    • View Profile
Re: The other virus that worries Asia
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2021, 12:20:45 AM »
You know... I was making my list of worries above and I almost mentioned that geoengineering could essentially be weaponized either on purpose (i.e. I change your climate specifically to hurt you) or accidentally (i.e. I change your climate because it helps me and I don't give a damn what happens to you).

But I was trying not to sound alarmist. 

Geoengineering is coming one way or the other. Some of the methods are quite cheap and it's just a matter of time until some nation that is suffering the ill effects of global warming dumps a bunch of iron in the ocean (though recent studies suggest that might not work anyway[1]) or spraying calcium carbonate into the atmosphere or what have you. The costs compared to, say, the collapse of your economy (which in China would surely mean the collapse of the regime) are relatively small.


1. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/02/200217162348.htm