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Why We Are Here => Water Cooler => Topic started by: rcjordan on November 08, 2016, 10:20:45 PM
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http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/snake-oil-supplements/
generated from the data in this spreadsheet: http://bit.ly/SnakeOil2
About:
http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2011/snake-oil-version-2/
• most popular supplements (above the worth-it-line): green tea, fish oil, vitamin D, St John’s wort, probiotics
• most popular supplements (below the worth-it-line): devil’s claw, L-lysine, L-carnitine, lutein, CoQ10, goji
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I take lutein because my optometrist told me to.
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(Maybe try smoking some of that fish oil?)
sounds like some good advice :)
another is "Eat more garlic" ... like that.
Great info. Anyone Tried "Egg shell membrane"?
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Check the spreadsheet for the studies that back up the rankings, I'm not sure if/where they show up in the bubble chart.
>my optometrist told me to.
With docs, you have to decide whether you want to lead or be led, BW. They get caught up in the hype, too.
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I did, which is why I asked. It was as far as I could see the top for Joint pain:
from the study in 2009:
Natural Eggshell Membrane (NEM(R)) is a new novel dietary supplement that contains naturally occurring glycosaminoglycans and proteins essential for maintaining healthy articular cartilage and the surrounding synovium. The randomized, multicenter, double-blind, placebo-controlled Osteoarthritis Pain Treatment Incorporating NEM(R) clinical study was conducted to evaluate the efficacy and safety of NEM(R) as a treatment for pain and stiffness associated with osteoarthritis of the knee. Sixty-seven patients were randomly assigned to receive either oral NEM(R) 500 mg (n = 34) or placebo (n = 33) daily for 8 weeks. The primary endpoint was the change in overall Western Ontario and McMasters Universities (WOMAC) Osteoarthritis Index as well as pain, stiffness, and function WOMAC subscales measured at 10, 30, and 60 days. The clinical assessment was performed on the intent-to-treat population. Supplementation with NEM(R) produced an absolute rate of response that was statistically significant (up to 26.6%) versus placebo at all time points for both pain and stiffness, but was not significantly improved for function and overall WOMAC scores, although trending toward improvement. Rapid responses were seen for mean pain subscores (15.9% reduction, P = 0.036) and mean stiffness subscores (12.8% reduction, P = 0.024) occurring after only 10 days of supplementation. There were no serious adverse events reported during the study and the treatment was reported to be well tolerated by study participants. Natural Eggshell Membrane (NEM(R)) is an effective and safe option for the treatment of pain and stiffness associated with knee osteoarthritis. Supplementation with NEM(R), 500 mg taken once daily, significantly reduced both joint pain and stiffness compared to placebo at 10, 30, and 60 days.
highlighting is mine.
I think that was in 2009 though, so what I dont understand is why 7 years later no-one has tried to reproduce it. One study is never enough. Too much at stake.
From Holland And Barrett:
Egg membrane is the fibrous thin white film between the white of the egg and the shell. Its purpose is to protect the egg white and the yolk from damage. It is also packed full of nutrients like elastin, collagen & glucomsaminoglycans which naturally occur in the joints.
so eating the full egg every day (Boiled) might do it. Its tempting with a cold mouse hand this morning!!!!
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Interesting! Nice find RC.
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>Snake Oil
I'll wait until the lobbyists get through with this one before claiming consumer victory....
Homeopathy 'treatments' must be labelled to say they do not work, US government orders
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/homeopathy-treatments-must-be-labelled-to-say-they-do-not-work-us-government-orders-a7429776.html
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In another thread, I mentioned a scandal (less than 2 years ago, IIRC) regarding supplements with zero % of the advertised ingredient. They're baaAAAaack!
No Evidence of Aloe Vera Found in the Aloe Vera at Wal-Mart, Target, CVS.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-22/no-evidence-of-aloe-vera-found-in-the-aloe-vera-at-wal-mart-cvs
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>egg shell
Hmmmm. Coincidentally, I eat lots of eggs on the low-carb diet.
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>egg shell
Hmmmm. Coincidentally, I eat lots of eggs on the low-carb diet.
Me too, but I am pretty sure I dont get the shell lining...not sure if you do when you have a boiled egg and crack the shell off after its cooked. Not explored that, but it is certainly different.
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This not bad https://examine.com/ , targeted more at the gym bunnies.
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>examine
Another good site. Nice find.
" Larger studies (which are seen as more reliable) tend to show no benefits with chondroitin nor glucosamine supplementation in isolation or combined.
Although many people do report benefit from using this supplement (especially when paired with Glucosamine), the current body of scientific literature does not hold these two supplements in high regard."
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https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2016/11/ftc-issues-enforcement-policy-statement-regarding-marketing
Looks like homeopathic and natural remedies just got some stricter labeling requirements.
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>stricter labeling requirements
I'll bet you Steak & Eggs at Waffle House that it doesn't stay in place with the Trump group.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say homeopathy believers trend liberal, so Trump might not get too much pushback from his constituents
https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/03/19/alternative-medicine/
The vast majority of people (67%) reject the effectiveness of astrology, with only 5% viewing it as an effective medical strategy.
ONLY 5%??? So one in 20 people I pass on the street think astrology is a good way to treat disease? I don't even know how that would work. Take some homeopathic remedy because Mars is retrograde? We're doomed.
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Stumbled across this at the weekend.
Long story short. My father in law (Alan) has dementia, and so Sue (my wife) is carer. He also has arthritis, and Sue found this in his house.
http://www.flexiseq.com
No idea where he got it, but she bought me some, as the cold has brought on a few aches. First 2 days, and my treated joints feel better. Might be coincidence.
The only reason I bothered with it were
- the aches, but
- it say "clinically proven" on the packet, and is sold at Boots. (Which must be right of course.)
No idea if it contain nagalese. Ref Ergophobe http://th3core.com/talk/water-coolerextra/obsolete-via-amazon/ (Even the name sounds bad :) )
On a serious note, there are 3 studies from Leeds university. However, the the name flexiseq does not appear to be used in the clinical reports, and so while the clinical reports look like good solid studies, I have not this morning been able to conclusively link the product with the studies. no idea if it is available in the USA.
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No idea if it contain nagalese. Ref Ergophobe http://th3core.com/talk/water-coolerextra/obsolete-via-amazon/ (Even the name sounds bad :) )
:-)
Better look over your shoulder now. They're comin' for you next.
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http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20161208-why-vitamin-supplements-could-kill-you
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Chart has been updated in 2017
http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/snake-oil-supplements/
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The most commonly used supplements, multivitamins, vitamin D, calcium and vitamin C, provided “no consistent benefit” for the prevention of cardiovascular disease or stroke, but niacin (vitamin B3) and antioxidants (vitamins A, C and E) were associated with an increased risk of all causes of death.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/may/29/vitamins-and-antioxidants-some-supplements-linked-to-increased-risk-of-death
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Vitamin D (prescribed by my doctor) makes a world of difference for depression for me in the winter time. If I'm really down, I'll even do two minutes in a tanning bed. Twenty minutes later, I feel like a new person...it's the weirdest thing.
I've also found that Magnesium supplements have taken away my panic attacks.
I seriously don't care if any of this is a placebo effect. My life is better.
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> If I'm really down, I'll even do two minutes in a tanning bed. Twenty minutes later, I feel like a new person...it's the weirdest thing.
Definitely not placebo, SAD is a real thing. Amy uses a light for therapy in the winter, makes a big difference for her.
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>Vitamin D
I'd consider adding Vitamin K, helps calcium get to the bones rather than the arteries apparently.
> Magnesium
I take ZMA, with also includes zinc and B6, helps many with sleep, great dreams too!