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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2019, 11:37:52 AM »
Interesting.

Here's some responses to that - https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-study-of-lung-biopsies-of-patients-with-lung-injury-due-to-vaping/

“This provides further evidence that it is extremely unlikely, if not impossible, that flavoured nicotine e-liquids of the type that have been used by millions of people around the world for up to a decade (including in the UK) are causing these injuries. Instead contaminants look like they are to blame. Most of the evidence points to adulterants in cannabis vaping but other products may be involved."

Maybe it could have been this - https://www.nbcnews.com/health/vaping/tests-show-bootleg-marijuana-vapes-tainted-hydrogen-cyanide-n1059356

"CannaSafe also tested 10 of the unregulated cartridges for pesticides. All 10 tested positive. The products all contained myclobutanil, a fungicide that can transform into hydrogen cyanide when burned."
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2019, 11:48:51 AM »
"CannaSafe also tested 10 of the unregulated cartridges for pesticides. All 10 tested positive. The products all contained myclobutanil, a fungicide that can transform into hydrogen cyanide when burned." Just as scary as the cases of formaldehyde formation with some e-cigs in the past!
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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2019, 12:47:42 PM »
You talking about when the media were reporting on this research? - https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1413069

It was scary at the time but was later debunked - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691517305033
I don't think it was newsworthy enough for the media to report on though so you might have missed it.
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2019, 02:16:03 PM »
Thanks Chunk i hadn't read that report.
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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2019, 02:05:32 PM »
CDC: Vaping illness outbreak surpasses 1,000 cases, 18 deaths with no sign of slowing

"roughly 78% of the patients said they vaped THC"

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/03/vaping-lung-cases-surge-to-more-than-1000-with-at-least-18-deaths-cdc-says.html

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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2019, 07:59:07 PM »
The thing that gets me about this situations and so many other product health issues in recent years is that we allow products to go to market before they are tested, then we ban them once a health concern becomes apparent.   

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« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2019, 09:58:08 AM »
The thing that gets me about this situations and so many other product health issues in recent years is that we allow products to go to market before they are tested, then we ban them once a health concern becomes apparent.   

It sounds like a logical step, but how would it work though if all products had to be 'screened' before being allowed on the market?
It would have to be all products too e.g. mobile phones.

It would surely stifle innovation and throw society into the dark ages.
OK, that's going to far, but thinking about it I really don't how one would go about doing it.
- Would there have to be a time limit to ensure the products are safe, say after 10 years, or would it only be for one test?
- Would all the products be tested using the same criteria, or would certain products have a separate category of tests?
- Would it need to be a global join adventure, as one country could have different methods of tests making it fine in one and not in another?

I know the base/core materials are checked but creating products out of them and putting them on the market through a series of more checks would be a quagmire to navigate.
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« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2019, 10:42:15 AM »
>It sounds like a logical step, but how would it work though if all products had to be 'screened' before being allowed on the market?

I'm struggling to think of a product that doesn't have legal standards that have to be met before they can be sold. My little end of the market has a huge amount of stuff plus specific testing which is ongoing relating to safety. Legal liability is a real threat to both a business but also to the individual directors, prison isn't unheard of https://www.lrbconsulting.co.uk/health-and-safety-blog/three-directors-jailed/

I think mobile phones all need approval before they can be sold.

I'd say the wild west era of vaping is over, the hammer will fall, I'd get out while you ahead if you in the game. Be worth talking to some of the old pill boys, they should be able to explain what happens when the wind changes.

The big tobacco boys have been buying up plenty of vaping companies. They will be piling on the pressure for regulation too, they have the resources to deal with it.

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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2019, 02:30:12 PM »
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« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2019, 08:20:36 AM »
I hear ya, there is regulation for ecigs in the UK since 2017 - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/e-cigarettes-regulations-for-consumer-products
So I don't where I was going in my last post, probably trying to say that when something completely new comes out, where there was nothing preceding it, then how to regulate that.
Else ecigs would have never become and disrupt a questionable industry worth billions.
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« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2019, 08:41:47 PM »

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« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2019, 04:09:20 AM »
Totally unregulated market (from a Layman), was bound to catch up. Can see this market getting stomped on the head in Europe. Essentially exchanging one vice for another, think we'll find you can't populate your lungs with random crap without paying a health consequence, just a matter of how much.

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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2019, 11:41:36 AM »
Trump ready to ban vape flavors except tobacco, menthol

Chunkford, are you diversifying?

Not straight away, luckily in the UK it's been regulated since 2016.
Public Health England is still standing by their stance - https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2019/10/29/vaping-and-lung-disease-in-the-us-phes-advice/
And the NHS is starting to embrace it with shops opening up inside their hospitals - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/09/vape-shops-open-nhs-hospital-sites-bid-stub-smoking/

The UK is a market leader, and while not 100% safe it's the best harm reduction for those unfortunate people who still smoke and don't have the will power to quit.
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