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Re: WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List
« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2010, 01:51:46 AM »
This was a very smart and timely thing to do:
http://www.zazzle.com/julian+assange+tshirts

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Re: WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List
« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2010, 02:04:56 AM »
BWAHA!: http://www.zazzle.com/i_fucked_julian_assange_tshirt-235719878160915874

He was granted bail, but he's still in the slammer until he can raise the funds?

And Sweden has appealed the bail decision... but Michael Moore offered to pay his bail. hehe I don't think he's actually been released yet though.
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Re: WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List
« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2010, 02:07:05 AM »
Gack - its a bloody mess whatever happens now.

Stating the obvious, we need an avenue like WikiLeaks as we simply can't trust any of our governments, but we also need to be able to protect some information.

Can't trust one party to start telling the truth when they should, and the other to stop telling the truth when they should.


I can't help feeling that whoever comes out on top it isn't going to be 'a good thing'.

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Re: WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List
« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2010, 03:13:24 AM »
 
Stating the obvious, we need an avenue like WikiLeaks as we simply can't trust any of our governments, but we also need to be able to protect some information.

Bit of a catch 22 there, eh? All in all, I'd err on the side of wikileaks rather than the side of trusting government. Governments have a really bad track record with the whole "treating human beings with respect and decency" thing.
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Re: WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List
« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2010, 04:12:46 AM »
Normally, I would agree with you on this.. it is a very powerful argument - can't argue with history etc

.. my concern though, is that at least governments are elected - however flawed the electoral system may be - WikiLeaks and Assange aren't.
They can be selective about what they release and when to suit whatever agenda they may have.

Even if it were the case that we agreed with that agenda, the precedent is set, and the next 'leaks' organisation may have a very different agenda.

Its a tricky one.

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Re: WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List
« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2010, 08:02:26 AM »
Governments have agendas, media outlets have agendas, Assange may well have an agenda... Sure. But at least he adds a new agenda to the mix in that case, because I'm about sick of having only the gov't & established media agendas to choose from.

Wikileaks (which is not only Assange, after all) is at least an interesting addition to the 'fourth estate' role the media is said to occupy... And the media choosing what to print and what not to? That's hardly anything new, is it?

[added] Oh, and apparently OpenLeaks is the next competing site, to be founded by a former WikiLeaks collaborator. So, probably whatever agenda they may or may not have, it'd be similar to Assange's outfit.
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Re: WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List
« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2010, 01:26:40 PM »
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And the media choosing what to print and what not to? That's hardly anything new, is it?

.. that is the point - so far the 'conventional media' has been based in a physical location, easily subjected to local legislation.

Elected governments pass laws to control those bits of the media that are within their control etc.


Internet based 'leaks' sites are more difficult to control, and more difficult to legislate against.
For example, if it had been a national newspaper trying to release the leaks, a Govt could have blocked them on national security grounds.

It is, of course, still just a matter of degree, and I expect the 'Governments' to win in the end, but in doing so they will establish precedents that are worrying.

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Re: WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2010, 12:20:55 AM »
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.. that is the point - so far the 'conventional media' has been based in a physical location, easily subjected to local legislation.

Nono, I see your point there, but the point I was trying to make is that the media already regularly doesn't run important stories because of fear of advertiser backlash, to say nothing of blatantly politically motivated outlets like Fox News over here. So, having a 'media' source like wikileaks potentially having an agenda really isn't a new issue. No matter what media source you're looking at, if you don't know their agenda(s), you can't interpret their output accurately.

Having an extra-legal media source seems like a huge bonus to me, and Assange's political bias seems pretty obviously hacker/anti-establishment, so that's not hard to interpret at all.
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Re: WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2010, 02:04:59 AM »
Yes - I am broadly in favour of more independence - if that is indeed what wikileaks represent - as a balance against the tame local media - but I fear that is not where this is going.

I suspect that one of two things will happen:

* Assange will get jailed, Wikileaks will get demonized or shut down, and any new version will be labelled by Governments as a 'criminal organisation' and attacked the same way.
When Governments start working together to keep their dirty linen hidden, that is not good.

* Assange gets off scot free, governments made to look foolish (hoorah!) .... 'leaks sites' thrive, and secrets get leaked at the will of the site owners.
This is not good - it sounds it initially, but long term it isn't  - there is some information that needs to be kept secure.

I am not really arguing with you here - you know pretty well where I sit on these issues - but I just think this may end up as 'too much of a good thing' on the 'freedom of information' front - although, more likely, Assange will be swatted like a bug with a raft of trumped up rape and spying charges, and we will be left worse off than before.

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Re: WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List
« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2010, 02:15:59 AM »
Well, I'm hoping for the latter. If it ends up being the former, we may well see whatever the hell an "infowar" really is... and it won't be limited to DDOS attacks, I'm afraid.
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