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Title: France to ban plastic packaging for most fruit and vegetables from January 2022
Post by: rcjordan on October 13, 2021, 02:10:10 AM

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20211011-france-to-ban-plastic-packaging-for-fruit-and-vegetables-from-january-2022
Title: Re: France to ban plastic packaging for most fruit and vegetables from January 2022
Post by: ergophobe on October 14, 2021, 04:18:15 AM
A UK supermarket did this and saw food waste go up 50%

Plastic waste goes down, but carbon footprint goes up.

But perhaps having a whole nation do it will spur producers and suppliers to find a third option, like compostable packaging.
Title: Re: France to ban plastic packaging for most fruit and vegetables from January 2022
Post by: Rupert on October 14, 2021, 08:46:02 AM
I had a dream in the shower the other day :)

Of a small app, or browser addon, called Palm Free.  It could highlight products on grocery and other sites that are bad for the environment, and redirect them to better options.

Would it be easy to do?  Is the data there do you think?
Title: Re: France to ban plastic packaging for most fruit and vegetables from January 2022
Post by: Brad on October 14, 2021, 10:54:39 AM
> small app

It could be done and there is data.  I also think it's worthwhile.

However, it gets tricky and will get more complicated as production evolves over time.  Example: grown outdoors conventionally, strawberries use a lot of chemicals (pesticides, fertilizer, herbicides, etc.) and generally have a lot of residue.  But strawberries, when raised indoors, hydroponically require very few chemicals.  Costco, grows a huge amount of strawberries hydroponically for instance.  So to just point at all strawberries and say they are bad would be wrong, it depends on how they are grown.
Title: Re: France to ban plastic packaging for most fruit and vegetables from January 2022
Post by: ergophobe on October 14, 2021, 03:01:47 PM
I believe there are a couple apps like that. Scan the bar code and it gives you a report
Title: Re: France to ban plastic packaging for most fruit and vegetables from January 2022
Post by: Rupert on October 14, 2021, 07:50:53 PM
 
QuoteScan the bar code and it gives you a report
That would mean being pro active.

I am thinking and add on that tells you primarily if there is Palm Oil in the product you are about to put in your basket.
I was not clear on that, and started waffling about other things that could be added to it


seems to me Palm oil one of the biggest single reasons for de-afforestation. So why do we still use it?  I think it was first used in Chocolate. I have no idea if I use/eat it or not really. 
Its in makeup, cereals, many processed foods, shampoo, detergents, margarine, crisps.... 

here is more
https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/palm-oil/palm-oil-free-list

(Sorry, just realised I hi jacked the thread. Probably not worth spinning it off, unless someone else wants too)
Title: Re: France to ban plastic packaging for most fruit and vegetables from January 2022
Post by: rcjordan on November 20, 2021, 03:52:15 PM
>perhaps having a whole nation do it will spur producers and suppliers to find a third option, like compostable packaging

New process makes 'biodegradable' plastics truly compostable | Berkeley News
https://news.berkeley.edu/2021/04/21/new-process-makes-biodegradable-plastics-truly-compostable/