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Why We Are Here => Economics & Investing => Topic started by: rcjordan on April 07, 2025, 09:59:40 PM

Title: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: rcjordan on April 07, 2025, 09:59:40 PM

https://qz.com/blackrock-larry-fink-recession-trump-tariffs-1851775108
Title: Re: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: littleman on April 07, 2025, 10:59:37 PM
Fortunately, I was 45% cash before the slide down.  I think this one has the potential to be long and deep.  I wish I we had some indication of what inflation is going to be like in the next 12 months.  No doubt it is going to be higher, but by how much?
Title: Re: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: ergophobe on April 08, 2025, 08:12:47 PM
QuoteBy Monday, hedge fund billionaires — many of whom had been loud and proud boosters of Mr. Trump's second term — were going public with their cries... The state of affairs has shocked financiers who enjoyed access to decision-making by presidents of both parties.

Wall Street Bursts With Anger Over Tariff 'Stupidity'
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/08/business/trump-tariff-wall-street-reaction.html
Title: Re: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: rcjordan on April 08, 2025, 08:20:49 PM
Elect a Clown, Expect a Circus.

Bumper sticker here:
https://www.amazon.com/JR-Studio-Expect-Sticker-Waterproof/dp/B07RNFNHD5/147-9404587-3607343
Title: Re: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: rcjordan on April 09, 2025, 02:17:36 PM
Jamie Dimon now says a recession is probably coming
Title: Re: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: rcjordan on April 11, 2025, 07:38:45 PM
JUST IN: US Consumer Sentiment Plummets to Second-Lowest Level in Over 75 Years

https://www.mediaite.com/news/just-in-us-consumer-sentiment-plummets-to-second-lowest-level-in-over-75-years/


Consumer sentiment hits 2025 low amid tariff, trade war worries. The downturn reflects rising concerns over inflation, interest rates, geopolitical instability, and abrupt policy changes

https://qz.com/consumer-sentiment-declines-april-2025-1851775805

Title: Re: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: littleman on April 11, 2025, 10:08:10 PM
Trump can't keep playing Munchausen by proxy with the US economy without eventually doing real permanent damage.
Title: Re: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: ergophobe on April 11, 2025, 10:50:40 PM
I think long-term damage has already been done. Already businesses around the world who are looking for a calm port are looking elsewhere for suppliers. Once that's done and contracts are inked, it's no longer enough to match someone on price, you have to beat them on price and payment terms and all that.

Side note: for 45 years, they have been telling us that if we just make the people at the top wealthy, prosperity will "trickle down" to everyone and lift all boats. Suddenly, these same people (Bessent in particular) are saying, "Don't worry, this is just rich people losing money. It won't affect you."

At most, one of those things can be true.

I think that neither one is true. I suppose one thing I've learned over the course of my life is that most of the simple explanations and solutions that I believed in were wrong. It was much easier to be right about everything when I was 20.
Title: Re: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: littleman on April 13, 2025, 01:35:54 AM
>trickle down

This was a believable theory in the 1980s, but in my opinion it has been disproven from the last 40 years of economic data.  We've had an accumulation of wealth at the top and much less opportunity for those in the bottom 50%.

I am convinced that some want a permanent underclass of cheap labor.
Title: Re: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: rcjordan on April 13, 2025, 02:55:54 AM
>I am convinced that some want a permanent underclass of cheap labor.

Ditto
Title: Re: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: Brad on April 13, 2025, 05:27:37 AM
>trickle down

I was skeptical back in the 1980's but I did go along with it.  But both parties have bought into it for 40 years and it has not worked.  In fact it has been a disaster.

>underclass

Yes, I agree.  What good is having all that wealth if you have nobody to lord it over.
Title: Re: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: ergophobe on April 13, 2025, 07:13:06 PM
> permanent underclass of cheap labor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_army_of_labour
Title: Re: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: rcjordan on April 13, 2025, 08:14:15 PM

"His argument is that as capitalism develops, the organic composition of capital will increase, which means that the mass of constant capital grows faster than the mass of variable capital. Fewer workers can produce all that is necessary for society's requirements. In addition, capital will become more concentrated and centralized in fewer hands.

This being the absolute historical tendency under capitalism, part of the working population will tend to become surplus to the requirements of capital accumulation over time. Paradoxically, the larger the wealth of society, the larger the industrial reserve army will become."
Title: Re: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: ergophobe on April 13, 2025, 08:50:13 PM
Yup. I read the Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of 1844 when I was 18 or 19 I guess and while it did not make a Marxist out of me, it did help me see the economy in way that typical classical economists did not.

Marx tends to get discounted because his prescriptions for the economic future turned out to be economic failures that led to totalitarianism... minor bug in the system, as it were.

But he was observing capitalism at a period when it was at its most unfettered and its basic nature was most apparent. As bad as his solution to the problems was, his analysis of the problems was insightful.

Certain things like the reserve army of labor, the theory of surplus value, and things like that are impossible to unsee in pretty much any economy once you've seen them.
Title: Re: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: littleman on April 14, 2025, 01:40:13 AM
>reserve army of labor

Yet, we are moving away from the need for labor, so it would seem those making the decisions are not motivated purely by resource (human labor) allocation.  Perhaps the motivation is more psychological?  The need for an underclass is the same as the need for opulence?  Maybe it is hard to enjoy the accumulation of purchasing power unless it is contrast with those who want?  "Your suffering validates my accomplishments, it makes me better than you".
Title: Re: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: rcjordan on April 14, 2025, 02:24:28 PM
> Perhaps the motivation is more psychological?

Or cultural?  The Puritan Work Ethic, for example, still seems to be a strong force of motivation among the underclass and a justification used by the ruling class.

Protestant work ethic - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic

+
I've lost count of how many times I've heard "I'll work until I die" among laborers, carpenters, hvac techs, etc.
Title: Re: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: rcjordan on September 09, 2025, 02:21:37 AM
AUTO LOAN DELINQUENCIES SURGE TO HIGHEST LEVEL IN 14 YEARS — FLASHING WARNING SIGN ON U.S. CONSUMER STRESS --bsky
Title: Re: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: rcjordan on September 15, 2025, 12:41:03 PM
#usEconomy #AutoLoans

Americans Crushed By Auto Loans As Defaults And Repossessions Surge | Carscoops

https://www.carscoops.com/2025/09/auto-loan-delinquencies-are-off-the-dial-and-even-prime-borrowers-are-struggling/
Title: Re: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: rcjordan on September 15, 2025, 01:30:22 PM
Huge car dealership chain collapses, leaving borrowers, banks and investors facing losses

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/huge-car-dealership-chain-collapses-leaving-borrowers-banks-and-investors-facing-losses-091525.html
Title: Re: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: rcjordan on September 17, 2025, 12:24:15 PM
We're BaaAAck!

2008: Recession-Plagued Nation Demands New Bubble To Invest In - The Onion

https://theonion.com/recession-plagued-nation-demands-new-bubble-to-invest-i-1819569940/
Title: Re: BlackRock's Larry Fink says the recession is already here
Post by: ergophobe on September 17, 2025, 08:21:38 PM
OK, not related to recession, more related to inflation and everything else, but here's another The Onion favorite from 2005

Cost Of Living Now Outweighs Benefits
https://theonion.com/cost-of-living-now-outweighs-benefits-1819567799/