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Title: AI race not China vs US, but closed vs open weight
Post by: ergophobe on August 07, 2026, 01:11:33 AM
https://fortune.com/2026/08/04/has-the-ai-race-shifted-from-u-s-vs-china-to-open-vs-closed/

I keep seeing that in many regions (e.g. Africa), AI usage is almost entirely cheap open weight models.
Title: Re: AI race not China vs US, but closed vs open weight
Post by: rcjordan on August 08, 2026, 08:20:39 PM
>almost entirely cheap open weight

Feeds say bet on open weight for the win.
Title: Re: AI race not China vs US, but closed vs open weight
Post by: Travoli on August 09, 2026, 07:21:32 PM
I recently heard this described as another Apple vs Android... OpenAI and Anthropic are the premium Apple equivalent. Open weight/source models are the Android equivalent.
Title: Re: AI race not China vs US, but closed vs open weight
Post by: littleman on August 09, 2026, 09:54:59 PM
I am hoping for more of a MS/Apple vs. Linux situation.
Title: Re: AI race not China vs US, but closed vs open weight
Post by: ergophobe on August 09, 2026, 10:57:38 PM
I think that's more where we are LM.

Kimi is close to Claude and 1/3 the price and other OW models (DeepSeek) are both less good and less expensive. Depending on the task, a model that matches Claude from a year ago might be enough.

https://www.together.ai/blog/kimi-k3-vs-claude-fable-5-on-deepswe-cost-and-coding
https://www.unsupervised.com/resources/what-agent-work-costs

They aren't "free" in either of the senses that Linux is free, but if you are talking about Linux from a TCO perspective, then it isn't free in the beer sense either.
Title: Re: AI race not China vs US, but closed vs open weight
Post by: ergophobe on August 09, 2026, 10:58:06 PM
See the graph in this article

https://thenewstack.io/open-weight-models-frontier-costs/
Title: Re: AI race not China vs US, but closed vs open weight
Post by: ergophobe on August 09, 2026, 10:58:54 PM
https://jamesoclaire.com/2026/06/25/the-unbearable-cheapness-of-open-weight-models/
Title: Re: AI race not China vs US, but closed vs open weight
Post by: ergophobe on August 09, 2026, 10:59:44 PM
"Silicon Valley startups are setting up open models, with some operating on shoestring budgets because of limited interest from VCs"

https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/the-race-to-build-an-american-alternative-to-cheap-ai-from-china-2e99a28a
Title: Re: AI race not China vs US, but closed vs open weight
Post by: rcjordan on August 10, 2026, 09:11:06 PM
"Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models"

https://www.ft.com/content/4e3957f8-ea7c-4c46-a3de-cdce8e526878
Title: Re: AI race not China vs US, but closed vs open weight
Post by: ergophobe on August 11, 2026, 03:36:16 PM
This is a long article, but it makes me think that the Apple/Android and Apple-MS/Linux analogies are the wrong way to think about this. 

It also makes me think that the whole concern over nuclear weapons in Iran may fade if open weight models with no guardrails let even smaller entities than the Iranian government turn out novel pathogens.

https://www.a16z.news/p/some-simple-economics-of-open-versus

Yes, the source comes with some caveats. Indint know how much Marc Andreesen influences the editorial direction of the blog, but in general I don't trust him.