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Title: G page layout algorithm change
Post by: rcjordan on January 20, 2012, 12:47:11 AM
This algorithmic change does not affect sites who place ads above-the-fold to a normal degree, but affects sites that go much further to load the top of the page with ads to an excessive degree or that make it hard to find the actual original content on the page. This new algorithmic improvement tends to impact sites where there is only a small amount of visible content above-the-fold or relevant content is persistently pushed down by large blocks of ads.

http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2012/01/page-layout-algorithm-improvement.html

Title: Re: G page layout algorithm change
Post by: Gurtie on January 20, 2012, 09:04:49 AM
ok, who's going to say it?
Title: Re: G page layout algorithm change
Post by: Rooftop on January 20, 2012, 09:14:31 AM
I'll avoid the obvious (http://searchengineland.com/figz/wp-content/seloads/2012/01/6728099139_d5444820cf_z-600x351.jpg)... and go for the almost as obvious.

Adwords account manager was on the phone yesterday trying very hard to get me to cram more adblocks above the fold on 2 of our sites. On both of these we have been trying to slowly reduce the ads (compensating with traffic gains) to stop them seeming quite so spammy.
Title: Re: G page layout algorithm change
Post by: Gurtie on January 20, 2012, 09:21:45 AM
so - what's peoples opinion on this bit?
Quote....So sites that don't have much content "above-the-fold" can be affected by this change. If you click on a website and the part of the website you see first either doesn't have a lot of visible content above-the-fold or ...

Our designers absolutely *love* hero images (those big things which take up most of the space above the fold,  sometimes rotating) I hate them because I think the bounce rate generally rises unless you're lucky enough to present the right image to the right person, especially on e-commerce sites.

Depending on what you want to believe that quote could be saying hero image = bad. Is that how the rest of you would read it, or am I trying to backup my argument and twisting it to fit?
Title: Re: G page layout algorithm change
Post by: keano on January 20, 2012, 09:34:33 AM
My take on it is that Google will probably make some sort of token effort on downgrading some of the egregious examples of publishers stuffing Adsense above the fold, but more pertinently if I was running ads aggressively from say Adbrite or any of the other networks I would start to worry.

Paranoid? Perhaps.
Title: Re: G page layout algorithm change
Post by: TallTroll on January 20, 2012, 01:19:24 PM
So, is this working from the code, or the rendered page? Either way, you can spoof it, but obviously the technique would vary. Also, please let it be the rendered page. I can see stuff you can do with that
Title: Re: G page layout algorithm change
Post by: Brad on January 20, 2012, 02:09:33 PM
>Is that how the rest of you would read it, or am I trying to backup my argument and twisting it to fit?

Spin it to back your argument regardless - there are darn few Universal Truths in SEO anyway. Designers are fine people but they need guidance when they get carried away with gratuitous frills.
Title: Re: G page layout algorithm change
Post by: rcjordan on January 20, 2012, 02:18:47 PM
You've got to admit that aggressive ad placement is a pretty good fingerprint, though.

>Adwords account manager was on the phone yesterday trying very hard to get me to cram more adblocks above the fold

Hell, back when I was pushing X thousand impressions per day for adsense I'd routinely get emails asking me to  increase the ads above the fold.  Duplicity, thy name is Google. You'll see some call Matt out on that in the comments.

>if I was running ads aggressively from say Adbrite or any of the other networks I would start to worry

Ditto.

>rendered

My guess would be rendered, TT.


>Our designers absolutely *love* hero images  I hate them

So now you have some ammunition, Gurtie.
Title: Re: G page layout algorithm change
Post by: TallTroll on January 20, 2012, 02:26:53 PM
>> My guess would be rendered, TT.

Mine too, because we all know where the "code" path leads. The problem of course is that there is rendering, and rendering. A rendering engine can only render that which it is given to render. For instance, googlebot doesn't have a mouse, so no focus.
Title: Re: G page layout algorithm change
Post by: TallTroll on January 20, 2012, 02:43:44 PM
I'm sure you can rig code to simulate focus, but simulation != to the real deal. Set a small delay between onfocus and response. If that doesn't work, tooltip EVERYTHING. Or do both, so the details of implementation are less important anyway
Title: Re: G page layout algorithm change
Post by: 4Eyes on January 20, 2012, 03:42:43 PM
I have been only delivering ads to visitors with a referrer query string for ages now

not seen any ranking drops - but then adsense is not a big thing for me these days anyway
Title: Re: G page layout algorithm change
Post by: littleman on January 20, 2012, 04:51:03 PM
Referer + UA check (for browsers, not bots) would seem to be a good way to go.  And there is a good argument that not including the ad code for non-capable browsers would be good practice anyway.