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Why We Are Here => Traffic => Topic started by: Chunkford on May 03, 2012, 04:47:09 PM

Title: Strange Penguin Results
Post by: Chunkford on May 03, 2012, 04:47:09 PM
http://www.seroundtable.com/penguin-traffic-drop-chart-15096.html

Hey Guys first post so take it easy with me :)

On seroundtable they posted what it looks like when penguin hits a site.
What's interesting though is this table

(https://th3core.com/chat/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.seroundtable.com%2Fpenguin-ranking-drop-1336046398.png&hash=9cd8177644dcd86c5614edf5725231f6804e2aca)

Why would Yahoo and Bing be effected with a Google algo update?
Title: Re: Strange Penguin Results
Post by: littleman on May 03, 2012, 07:04:42 PM
Hey Chuck, Welcome!  The changes in Bing/Yahoo are most likely not related to anything G is doing directly. 

Maybe there's an algo shift in Bing that isn't getting any attention?  Or, perhaps the competition is reacting to G and in turn messing with their rank in Bing?
Title: Re: Strange Penguin Results
Post by: Gurtie on May 03, 2012, 07:14:55 PM
coincidence or causality?

Yahoo and Bing - powered by the same search engine. You would expect their results to be roughly similar, although rarely exactly - the Yahoo/Bing for allergy Doctor New York is quirky but thats the only real discrepancy there.

Depending on the timescales this covers, and the normal stability of the results a +/- 5 difference really isn't anything to be raising eyebrows about. Crop the google results off that table and Yahoo/Bing would probably be a standard day. a bit of an ouch, but within normal bounce in most cases? Lots of potential causes; did Bing tweak their local algos? Did anyone tweak content?

I would say chances are a lot higher that a Bing algo tweak happens to have hit at the same time as penguin than anything else.  

I could speculate on a connection if I tried hard enough - perhaps the drop in Google traffic caused by penguin has been noted by MS because of the IE traffic and when they see a heavy drop of traffic to a site that gets reflected in a quality score? But I doubt it :)


and what LM said
Title: Re: Strange Penguin Results
Post by: Chunkford on May 03, 2012, 08:07:09 PM
Yea, I know there's too many variables involved, but that first one is very strange.

It's defiantly getting the conspiracy theories going in my head :D
Title: Re: Strange Penguin Results
Post by: littleman on May 03, 2012, 08:11:26 PM
>conspiracy theories

You'll fit right in here.
Title: Re: Strange Penguin Results
Post by: dogboy on May 03, 2012, 09:16:31 PM
Quote>conspiracy theories
You'll fit right in here.
LOL!

Welcome, Chunkford!
Title: Re: Strange Penguin Results
Post by: Gurtie on May 04, 2012, 07:57:03 AM
Quote from: Chunkford on May 03, 2012, 08:07:09 PM
Yea, I know there's too many variables involved, but that first one is very strange.

It's defiantly getting the conspiracy theories going in my head :D

love a conspiracy as much as the next person, but from my utterly not having looked at the site standpoint I still suspect a local update - the surgery isn't in both 07410 and 11223, I'm guessing?
Title: Re: Strange Penguin Results
Post by: Adam C on May 04, 2012, 08:23:11 AM
without reading the post in any detail, first thought that comes to mind is it could be something at the webmasters end.

Site changes
Lost links
Server outages
etc.

Title: Re: Strange Penguin Results
Post by: hungrygoose on May 04, 2012, 10:31:37 AM
That's obviously a very small sample of results.  Those keywords alone wouldn't give them 10k hits per day, they must have 100s of pages for each type of doctor + each zip code and borough.  so out of 100s of keywords why did they show that small sample... Will each result show a B decrease or just those?
Title: Re: Strange Penguin Results
Post by: Chunkford on May 04, 2012, 02:34:44 PM
Yea, old Barry White has realised this and says in his comments he should look for more examples or shouldn't have included the report.

Quote from: Gurtie on May 04, 2012, 07:57:03 AM
the surgery isn't in both 07410 and 11223, I'm guessing?

I think it's a directory of sorts
Title: Re: Strange Penguin Results
Post by: Rumbas on May 04, 2012, 04:48:33 PM
Interesting! and welcome to the show Chunkford :)