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Title: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: Rooftop on May 22, 2012, 08:36:49 AM
Thought it might be useful to post any interesting implementations that people spot as they have started appearing more frequently over the last few days:

I thought that the example on mydonate was quite good. If they got the copy right it could even be quite a positive thing:
http://bit.ly/LnFVJf
Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: Torben on May 22, 2012, 10:25:17 AM
The EU cookie directive has been implemented in Danish law for about six months now but I haven't seen anything like your example. Actually you can get away with having a policy that explains what is tracked and how you remove the cookies. As an example this newspaper (http://www.b.dk/) has a small blue icon in the top right corner that links to a policy.

No doubt it's a loose implementation of the EU directive but most EU countries haven't got a cookie law in place yet so I think we can get a way with it for a long time.
Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: Rooftop on May 22, 2012, 12:41:29 PM
In the UK the ICO (poor saps lumbered with enforcing it) have said that informing is not enough and that explicit consent must be obtained. 

I quite liked the mydonate example as it could be used to frame the decision in terms of 'how much functionality are you willing to sacrifice?'
Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: Gurtie on May 22, 2012, 12:46:45 PM
www.bt.com is interesting, it's being lauded by the ICC (not ICO, but they have commented in places its mentoned without pointing out the flaws) as a good example of best practice, but checkout the slider and its blatantly not compliant.

But, er, its not compliant in the way that you need - and its being quoted as best practice, so, er.......

also optanon http://www.cookielaw.org/optanon.aspx

which I still don't think is compliant, but is getting a lot of use.
Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: Rooftop on May 22, 2012, 12:53:33 PM
I'd live to see what % of users agree based on some of these.  I couldn't even see the optanon on as I tend to hit the housewheel and scroll down long pages as a habit.  Wouldn't have seen it if I hadn't been looking.
Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: 4Eyes on May 22, 2012, 01:39:15 PM
Almost everything I have seen so far is a conversion killer, and I can't see most smaller businesses complying until:

* the majority of their competition are seen to be complying.
and/or
* there are a rash of high profile legal cases.


It will be interesting to see how the industry evolves to work around this idiocy.
Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: Gurtie on May 22, 2012, 02:55:55 PM
we've seen a report which shows a 95% drop off in acceptance of analytics cookies. The ICO had a 90% drop off when they tried it - the stats were made public.

econsultancy.com/uk/blog/9947-eu-cookie-law-ico-to-contact-50-uk-websites-about-compliance
Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: Rooftop on May 22, 2012, 03:18:24 PM
Ouch. That puts (not provided) in to perspective doesn't it?
Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: thesaintv12 on May 22, 2012, 03:19:52 PM
The BBC report that the majority of UK Government sites will fail to comply too - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18090118
Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: Adam C on May 23, 2012, 12:53:29 PM
Quote from: 4Eyes on May 22, 2012, 01:39:15 PM
...I can't see most smaller businesses complying until:

* the majority of their competition are seen to be complying.
and/or
* there are a rash of high profile legal cases.


anyone remember back in 2004 when the DDA came into UK law and was set to change web accessibility?  Loads of hoo-har in advance, then from memory almost nothing happened.
Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: Rooftop on May 23, 2012, 01:32:23 PM
Ugh - yes.  All the cowboys selling Bobby reports for £200.
Actually, I'm surprised that there have not been lots of people selling cookie audits. 
Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: Adam C on May 24, 2012, 08:47:36 AM
http://econsultancy.com/uk/blog/9966-the-mirror-s-response-to-eu-cookie-law-compliance
Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: Rooftop on May 24, 2012, 09:38:15 AM
That's an interesting take. Closing the window being the sign of consent.  Would certainly improve opt-in rates.
Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: Rooftop on May 24, 2012, 03:04:34 PM
BBC is interesting. They seem to be ignoring what hte ICO said about a positive opt in.
Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: thesaintv12 on May 24, 2012, 03:05:17 PM
I see the BBC have just started displaying their notice at the top of the page  - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

They have gone with the ' If you continue without changing your settings, we'll assume that you are happy to receive all cookies on the BBC website'

Thinking about it, is there an oportunity here?  Could you ask people to create an account in order to ensure their privacy settings are remembered correctly?  
Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: thesaintv12 on May 24, 2012, 03:05:59 PM
I see we were reading at the same time rt
Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: Gurtie on May 24, 2012, 06:30:41 PM
providing better services to a logged in account is one way we're trying to get people accepting analytics cookies as well. Although to be honest sites where people wouldn't start an account in the first place aren't going to have much luck coming up with new reasons to have one, I don't think.

Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: nffc on May 24, 2012, 06:54:44 PM
Seems a nice hard to spot cookies link is all you need?

https://www.national-lottery.co.uk/player/p/home.ftl
Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: jimbanks on May 29, 2012, 12:53:37 PM
It's Y2K all over again.

I heard of a company offering to implement a cookie policy for a company over their 11 sites and it was only going to cost £5600 to do.

Implied consent and your good, it's going to take forever for them to enforce anything and I think they intend to educate rather than punish.

Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: Rooftop on May 29, 2012, 01:44:16 PM
ICO are twats aren't they? 11th hour and change everything.
http://blog.silktide.com/2012/05/dear-ico-this-is-why-web-developers-hate-you/

Sums it up.  At least the end result is more sensible. 
Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: Gurtie on May 29, 2012, 03:47:26 PM
>> http://blog.silktide.com/2012/05/dear-ico-this-is-why-web-developers-hate-you/

I think I might love him.
Title: Re: Eu Cookie Law Implementation Examples
Post by: 4Eyes on May 29, 2012, 06:48:55 PM
Still, we learned a valuable lesson....

Never react to any internet legislation brought in by politicians until after you have seen a few prosecutions.