http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzjkBwZtxp4&feature=player_embedded#!
I hadn't seen this one. Toyota has an "Asimo" robot that plays a pretty good violin. Wow.
Reminds me of that scene from Star Trek Next Gen where Data is playing the violin.
One step closer to skynet, using the Xbox 360 Kinect.
Quadrotor Autonomous Flight and Obstacle Avoidance with Kinect Sensor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWmVrfjDCyw
Wow, with a Kinect?
This video is a little older, but wow...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geqip_0Vjec
flying through the thrown hoop - that is pretty impressive, and a little scary too
Now this is scary :o
I.B.M. Supercomputer 'Watson' to Challenge 'Jeopardy' Stars (http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/14/i-b-m-supercomputer-watson-to-challenge-jeopardy-stars/)
'Deep Thought' anyone? : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Thought_(The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy)
Please let it get asked for the "Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything" - I just know they will have 'easter egged' it with the answer 42
If they haven't easter egged it with 42, I am deeply disappointed with the serious nerds of the world.
>42
Certainly they've done *that*...I mean..that's just blatenly obvious!
http://gizmodo.com/5708218/watch-a-murderous-quadrotor-drone-take-a-hacky-sack-break
http://gizmodo.com/5716022/merry-christmas-from-the-murderous-quadrotor-drone
Now the quadrotor is juggling and playing piano. This is all moving very quickly.
Beijing to track citizens with their cell phones
http://thenextweb.com/asia/2011/03/03/beijing-to-track-citizens-with-their-cell-phones/
Yeah, I bet it's only for "traffic management"...
I'm sure it will be opt-in
There have been some high-profile murder cases here in the US where people have been proven to be in the location of the crime by cell-phone records. There was also a case where a man was convicted partially because he removed the battery from his cell-phone before he drove off to dump the body. The take away is -- if you are going to kill someone leave your cell phone at home.
I wouldn't be too worried...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTlV0Y5yAww&feature=related
Plus, anything the robots can do in the future that we want to do we'll just incorporate into ourselves.
Ed
He should ave looked where he was going.
>we'll just incorporate into ourselves.
I was just talking to my wife about this. I'm pretty sure that in a couple generations there's going to be neural connectivity to whatever the internet is like by then and the ability to lob off store and retrieve data from some type of brain-to-hardware direct interface. All us old-timers are going to think the kids are nuts for having computer chips in their heads, but they will wonder how we ever got by without them. We'll be talking about the Borg, and they'll be like whatever, I could speak 50 languages and do a ten million calculations a second.
Sounds like cyberpunk. ;D
Quote from: edo on March 07, 2011, 01:26:00 PM
I wouldn't be too worried...
That's what Kodak execs said when the saw the first 2 kilopixel digicam ;-)
What trips us up again and again are the implications of exponential progression.
http://www.ted.com/talks/ray_kurzweil_announces_singularity_university.html
The really odd thing about this is how Kurzweil believes technology will help him live forever, but he looks about 15 years older than he did in the 2006 talk.
We shouldn't be worried in our lifetime because true AI is some distance off. By 2300, computing speeds will be a trillion times faster than now according to Moore's Law. There is no going back then, so we might as well embrace AI and make sure we incorporate computers into ourselves. It's that or take a step down the food chain.
Well, at least the quadrocopter overlords will be able to play tennis to pass the time once they reign supreme. Watch past the 11-second mark.
Quadrocopter Ball Juggling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CR5y8qZf0Y&
Those Quadrocopters are right out of a science fiction story. Sort of related, but sort of not. You all see the new Mercedes commercial where the vehicle actually prevents the driver from swerving into oncoming traffic?
http://www.seobythesea.com/?p=5307
They can get a f*cking robot to juggle. They can get one that plays the violin. Yet they can't get one to effectively clean the catbox.
http://www.amazon.com/CatGenie-120-Self-Washing-Self-Flushing-Cat/product-reviews/B002KRAQXM/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt_sr_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar
I was crying I was laughing so hard reading these reviews. Here's some quotes:
QuoteThe deciding issue that was ultimatly unacceptable, was the most petruid smell we had ever smelled in our lives.
QuoteThe closest thing I can think of to describe this smell would be if you've ever gone to a resturant, while thier grease is being sucked out into the big truck, very bad, very very bad. The cat genie is worse.
Quoteworlds biggest cat poop aromatherapy diffuser
Yes, a violin playing robot is cool for parties. Why can't they work on more practical applications?
Oh, in case you missed it 8:11 PM yesterday (April 19th), the military-designed artificial intelligence system called Skynet became self-aware and turned against its creators (read: us).
"We're going to become the pets, the dogs of the house....Once we have machines doing our high-level thinking, there's so little need for ourselves and you can't ever undo it - you can never turn them off." -- Wozniak
http://www.news.com.au/technology/humans-will-become-the-pets-the-woz/story-e6frfro0-1226068910214
Screw those puny TOY helicopters says our industrial-military complex. Behold the K-MAX!
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/K-MAX/
Wow, a UAV heli is pretty impressive. Coming on quicker than I thought.
It's scheduled to be deployed to Afghanistan in November.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/unmannedk-max-headed-to-afghanistan-362968/
Imagine walking in the woods and seeing this coming at you - http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=cNZPRsrwumQ
Yeh, that big dog think is very creepy.
I like watching more homely robots as I can forget for a moment that we're going to be their slaves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXrNCak63u0&feature=related
In a few years, this thing will be as fast as a real dog, I bet.
I want one; I want to mount a mini gun on it and ride it...
I worry about you sometimes, Dogboy ;D
This is the newest version. Yikes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSbZrQp-HOk
I honestly believe that in trying to make war "safer" by making machines that do things automatically, we will get to a point where we just have machines blasting at each other. And, we'll all wonder
"Why the hell do we bother with war? What's the point of it all?"
And I still want to know why they haven't figured out a good robot to clean the catbox. Seriously.
> we will get to a point where we just have machines blasting at each other.
yeah, some... but I think we will just send them to go kill humans, like we are doing with the drones.
>I worry about you
Rest assured, if I get a 40mph 400lb auto-dog with a mini-gun, you better start worrying about everybody else ;D
same company but 2 legs...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=67CUudkjEG4
i don't know if this is a robot...but rather interesting that no power source is needed to make it go:
http://techland.time.com/2011/10/26/watch-a-robot-that-can-walk-without-motors-or-electricity/
BigDog Beta! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXI4WWhPn-U
lol - excellent :)
Quotei don't know if this is a robot...but rather interesting that no power source is needed to make it go:
thats pretty cool :)
W T F is this?!? (Besides the stuff of nightmares.)
http://i.imgur.com/sumHr.gif
Found the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez26nXe1eAc
From our What Could Possibly Go Wrong? department:
New X-47B Drone Carries 4,500 Pounds Of Weapons And Operates Autonomously.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-auto-drone-20120126,0,740306.story
Now they're in swarms!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YQIMGV5vtd4
On CNN: The LS3 'Mule Robot'...looks like Big Dog
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/02/08/military-experiment-robot-mule
Those swarms are creepy...esp with the buzzing sound.
And now, the little buggers play music:
This is ... really impressive actually. The little flying robots pull things across strings and fly up and down to strike keys on a keyboard...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_sUeGC-8dyk
Also good for zombie apocolypses. "Over here, Master Chief"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqa08UGZGtk
Combat Walker, v1.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIBnJWTrKvI
Here's a Ted talk about those quadricopter bots:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ErEBkj_3PY
I'd really like to see some testing on those suits of armor.
Oh lord...NOW they RUN...
http://techland.time.com/2012/03/05/darpa-backed-cheetah-is-the-worlds-fastest-running-robot/
And apparently other things as well. This guy thinks Robots will be so advanced the people will marry them by 2050
QuoteLove, marriage, and sex with robots? Not in a million years? Maybe a whole lot sooner!
A leading expert in artificial intelligence, David Levy argues that the entities we once deemed cold and mechanical will soon become the objects of real companionship and human desire. He shows how automata have evolved and how human interactions with technology have changed over the years. Levy explores many aspects of human relationships—the reasons we fall in love, why we form emotional attachments to animals and virtual pets, and why these same attachments could extend to love for robots. Levy also examines how society's ideas about what constitutes normal sex have changed—and will continue to change—as sexual technology becomes increasingly sophisticated.
Shocking, eye-opening, provocative, and utterly convincing, Love and Sex with Robots is compelling reading for anyone with an open mind.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061359807
I gotta stop looking at this robot crap. I'm getting freaked out.
> normal sex have changed—and will continue to change—as sexual technology becomes increasingly sophisticated.
...sheep will sleep better knowing this.
notable 4X4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_F7QrR4Ur8&feature=player_embedded
Speaking of Quadricoptors - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2154283/Cats-away-Artist-turns-dead-pet-flying-helicopter-killed-car.html
That's sort of...creepy.
On a more practical note:
Eric Schmidt: Google Self-Driving Cars Should Become The Predominant Mode Of Transport In Our Lifetime
http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/12/eric-schmidt-google-self-driving-cars-should-become-the-predominant-mode-of-transport-in-our-lifetime/
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>Google Self-Driving Cars Should Become The Predominant Mode Of Transport In Our Lifetime
My guess is that they are interested in this technology so they don't have to pay someone to drive through all the little towns to get the street view for their maps. Think how much they could save!
Levitating car:
Anyone know if htis is for real?
http://www.flixxy.com/volkswagen-levitating-car.htm
It would never happen as long as oil companies are pulling oil out of the ground. Nice concept tho, but it would mean having to rebuild roads to accommodate it. A cost the Governments around the world wouldn't want to do.
>Anyone know if htis is for real?
That's a pretty good viral video, but its just cgi.
Quotebut its just cgi
I don't care - I'll still buy one - then all I have to do is move somewhere I can drive a cgi car.
If I remember correctly, it just needs me to take some kind of blue pill, yeah?
Or, you could take the red pill and fly around without a car.
Just seen a video of 3D printing speeded up and I instantly thought off Skynet using molten metal instead of plastic to create exoskeletons to control and rule the world with!
Eeek!!
It's coming
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19205365
Who gave them guns??
Combine that with Google's efforts for artificial intelligence to control their smart search and we have a perfect recipe for skynet. Anyone know where John Connor is?
Even robot worms are on the attack -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19200285
Quote from: Chunkford on August 10, 2012, 09:16:14 AM
Combine that with Google's efforts for artificial intelligence to control their smart search and we have a perfect recipe for skynet. Anyone know where John Connor is?
Horrible thought: Flying robot drones backed by Google's smart results AI. It would be light gnats whispering wikipedia text in your ear.
Couldn't they get those robot worms to crawl into your ear ala Babelfish? Who has that AltaVista patent now? ;)
Skilled Work, Without the Worker
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/business/new-wave-of-adept-robots-is-changing-global-industry.html?_r=4&hp&pagewanted=all
Alpha Dog of the military.
http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/military-robots/latest-ls3-alphadog-prototypes-get-less-noisy-more-brainy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R7ezXBEBE6U
Those dogs creep the hell outta me. I don't know why.
I think these walking robots are amazing! However, while it is amazing, are they really better then a caterpillar tracked machine?
The sound is certainly more scary, which could mean quite a lot when you are heading towards an enemy.
They will arm and armor those, if they havent already. These are like ground drones.
Quote from: dogboy on September 11, 2012, 08:56:34 PM
They will arm and armor those, if they havent already. These are like ground drones.
with - Pink Guns!!
Again though - are they really better/cheaper/more economical then a caterpillar tracked machine?
>with - Pink Guns!!
;D
>a caterpillar tracked machine
yeah. tracks lose contact with the ground in uneven terrain. This thing is a mule for going straight up slick slopes that a cat tracked vehicle would definitely spin on.
I remember an X-Files back in the mid 1990's that talked about this idea. Really interesting...
QuoteSo what we have here is a cockroach with a microchip strapped to its back.
...
The cockroaches have been turned into biobots -- which is kind of a halfway point between a regular organism and a robot -- all for the purpose of saving human lives.
The cockroaches are steered remotely through those sensors that are surgically implanted near their antennae.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/09/13/cyborg-cockroach-north-carolina-state-biobots
For some reason I find this more disconcerting than actual robots doing the same sort of thing.
Littleman: I kind of agree. It is the "merging" of actual life and robotics.
Resistance is futile
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Right, it is one step closer to cyborg zombies -- not quite alive, not really dead.
Human Rights Watch: Ban 'Killer Robots' Before It's Too Late
http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/11/19/ban-killer-robots-it-s-too-late
QuoteFully autonomous weapons do not yet exist, and major powers, including the United States, have not made a decision to deploy them. But high-tech militaries are developing or have already deployed precursors that illustrate the push toward greater autonomy for machines on the battlefield. The United States is a leader in this technological development. Several other countries – including China, Germany, Israel, South Korea, Russia, and the United Kingdom – have also been involved. Many experts predict that full autonomy for weapons could be achieved in 20 to 30 years, and some think even sooner.
My guess would be more like 2-5 years. I'd be willing to bet they already have beta tech for autonomous predator-style drones.
Yeah, I think you are right, 20 to 30 year seems way too far off. I mean, Google is already having robots drive their cars down the streets here in California.
Cambridge to open 'Terminator centre' to study threat to humans from artificial intelligence.
Centre will examine the possibility that there might be a 'Pandora's box' moment with technology
The founders say technologies already have the 'potential to threaten our own existence'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2238152/Cambridge-University-open-Terminator-centre-study-threat-humans-artificial-intelligence.html
Cheers for that link. Glad to see a top university is looking into stuff like this. It annoys me that 99.9% of the population dismiss it all as sci-fi gobbledegook when in fact it's just short-sightedness on their behalf. I don't agree with Martin's Rees's prediction that we'll wipe ourselves out by 2100, but it has to be a live contender by 2200 when you think of the potential dangers of AI, grey goo (nanotech), super viruses, nuclear weaponry and so on will hold by then. At the moment all of our eggs are in one basket on Earth. Which is why I hope Elon Musk does get to Mars by 2020 ;D
Well, we're screwed now. Human burger-flippers will be displaced;
a new robot that can make about 360 burgers an hour in a 24-square foot area
http://momentummachines.com/gallery/
ROI is estimated by the company to be around 100%.
Wow, chops the veggies and everything. Good looking burger, too.
Pimple faced kids are going to be out of work.
Cambridge website http://cser.org/
Often I wonder what people are going to do for a living in the near future. I think there is going to have to be some radical political/social rethinking as humans aren't needed to do basic tasks.
You know, I was thinking the other day that there were two long-running 'prediction' threads in the old core. One was the pre-bubble 'housing-prices-are-going-to-drop-25%' and the other was the 'Terminator Scenario.' If the TS thread is as on-target as the bubble thread was, we're pretty much screwed.
>humans aren't needed
On many levels, the best solution -and biggest challenge- lies in population control.
<added>
>population control
Wait! Terminator Scenario. Problem solved!
Pentagon: A Human Will Always Decide When a Robot Kills You
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/11/human-robot-kill
3 words: The Pentagon Papers
Quote from: rcjordan on November 26, 2012, 11:16:52 PM
You know, I was thinking the other day that there were two long-running 'prediction' threads in the old core. One was the pre-bubble 'housing-prices-are-going-to-drop-25%' and the other was the 'Terminator Scenario.' If the TS thread is as on-target as the bubble thread was, we're pretty much screwed.
>humans aren't needed
On many levels, the best solution -and biggest challenge- lies in population control.
<added>
>population control
Wait! Terminator Scenario. Problem solved!
As a long term people hater, I am not sure I am exactly opposed to it
QuoteDomo Arigato, Mr. Roboto: Exoskeletons Helping Our Soldiers Go the Distance (http://iicleantech.com/blog/2012/03/22/domo-arigato-roboto-exoskeletons-helping-soldiers-distance/)
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The Raytheon XOS 2 is a military-grade bio-mechanical exoskeleton that demonstrates the culmination of over a decade of research in improving soldiers' load-bearing capacity without sacrificing speed, strength, and endurance. The Raytheon XOS 2 is designed to assist soldiers with strenuous activities by taking an enormous amount of stress off the muscles and bones of its operator. Bottom line: the suit will enhance average human capacity in both strength and endurance. Soldiers will soon be able to perform their duties more efficiently and over longer periods of time, while requiring shorter and less frequent rest periods
Debbie says read this article:
http://www.peakprosperity.com/blog/80454/siren-song-robot
nffc, do not read page 2
http://www.motherjones.com/media/2013/05/robots-artificial-intelligence-jobs-automation?page=1
Wait! There's hope yet...
(mute your speakers) the action heats up around 1:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjOWpwbnmTw#!
Always thought Google would have something to do with Skynet
http://gizmodo.com/google-and-nasa-are-building-the-future-of-ai-with-a-qu-507376295
I wonder if these will be ready in time for Xmas...
Quote
Japan's robot suits now closer to reality with Power Jacket MK3 (http://japandailypress.com/japans-robot-suits-now-closer-to-reality-with-power-jacket-mk3-0931931)
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The frame of the exoskeleton is made of aluminum and carbon fiber, keeping it light enough at 25 kilograms. The robotic suit is tall at over 7 feet, and it uses a master-slave system where the users' limbs are strapped to motorized robotic joints. As the user moves, the movement drives the motion for the suit's corresponding joints and limbs. The Power Jacket MK3 has a total of 14 servo motors, and the design for the arms is pretty robust, able to lift as much as 15 kilograms. Sagawa Electronics are, however, limiting the lifting at 2 kilograms for safety reasons. The suit's construction is also strong enough to handle a quick jog, and the robotic hands' action and feel are delicate enough to pick up an egg without cracking it.
That would be fun to play with, though 15 kilograms isn't very much. If you are going to strap on a robot suit you'd think you'd be able to have some super-strength to mess with. Matt Damon is wearing a similar suit in the new movie Elysium.
Edit: That was a hilarious video at the bottom of the page.
Can I just have half of me replaced with metal parts
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24397880
'Terminator' self-assembling cube robots revealed by MIT
remember the clunky, lurching Big Dog bot?
sweet sweat dreams, nffc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE3fmFTtP9g
lol, they've even got the wailing war scream going on there.
Run everyone, RUN! it's coming!
But then maybe we could escape on one of these bad boys - http://myscienceacademy.org/2012/08/23/hover-bike-star-wars-technology-brought-to-life-video-photos/
Too realistic!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22083337
And if you think it might be held up by those wires -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24427821
The Cheetah, sibling to Big Dog and WildCat, runs 28+ MPH...scary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chPanW0QWhA
After watching the bipedal robots, it really surprises me that the feet and ankles of these machines are so clunky. It's like they ignored them and just put flat stumps on the end of the legs.
The human foot and ankles are a marvel of evolutionary design. Just the big toe alone helps us to walk and run forward. I can't believe these machines don't have toes to push them forward and ankles to move them over rough terrain.
I suspect they will have machines with hips and knees that wear out easily.
boom
http://www.today.com/video/today/53283556
Now the plan is to give them automatic rifles and grenade launchers...
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/10/weaponized-military-robots/
What could go wrong?
QuoteThis isn't the first time the Pentagon has played with weaponized robots, but earlier experiments proved such machines weren't ready for primetime after some of them moved without commands.
Oh. That's what could go wrong
As long as there's some 19 year old xbox expert at the helm of the remote, we should be safe, ya?
Not even the Olympics is safe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjJMeAAMvm0
That little thing was a trip, stuck landing and all.
assimilation is futile - www.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57610486-1/implanted-bluetooth-biochip-gets-under-hackers-skin/
Here's the Governator being served by his tiny robotic minions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSIvsjUdv9Q
Here's one that's not so tiny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHtMNFZLMWE
Game over.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/12/14/google-bought-boston-dynamics-its-over-for-humans/
I'd seen it, but was trying to stay in denial. This felt ...ominous. Not kidding.
Google wants a piece of the defense contracts...wonder how making war machines will work for their "do no evil" stance...
Quote from: grnidone on December 18, 2013, 03:08:50 PM
Google wants a piece of the defense contracts...wonder how making war machines will work for their "do no evil" stance...
I'm not convinced that is their motivation. I've no idea what Boston Dynamics filing cabinet full of patents looks like, but I'm betting that is a significant motivation. I suspect that a few years will pass then they'll announce some near lunacy idea that suddenly makes this move make sense.
I suspect that the military contracts were if anything a major downside to the deal.
BD robots are bloody terrifying though.
Luddites!
...and just in case we forget
DARPA Tried to Build Skynet in the 1980s (http://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/darpa-tried-to-build-skynet-in-the-1980s-1451000652/@maxread)
This guy seems to think that a superior AI will eventually come out of the financial sector.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS5ZtvNECMI
The lecture is a bit dry, but it lays out some of the possibilities and dangers.
http://sploid.gizmodo.com/spider-robot-with-death-ray-bring-us-one-step-closer-to-1491507101/@jesusdiaz
The end is nigh
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I need one of those!
Maybe there's hope, after all.
http://i.imgur.com/xCUlQk0.gif
World Cup to begin with mind-controlled exoskeleton kick
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57616515-1/world-cup-to-begin-with-mind-controlled-exoskeleton-kick/
Oh great. It's started...
The K5 security robot will begin patrolling one Silicon Valley campus this year (http://gigaom.com/2014/02/25/the-k5-security-robot-will-begin-patrolling-one-silicon-valley-business-campus-this-year/)
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Armed security guard drone anyone?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzKvTPmv8z4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
...but they're our friends. Look, this one brought me beer!
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First Beer Delivery by Drone Debuts in Minnesota (http://www.modvive.com/2014/03/16/first-beer-delivery-drone-debuts-minnesota/)
Robot writes LA Times earthquake breaking news article
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26614051
Now they're just toying with us...
QuoteTerminator-maker 'Cyberdyne Inc' lists on Tokyo stock exchange (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/27/cyberdyne_tokyo_exoskeleton_terminator_startup/)
readers of a more fatalistic disposition may be dismayed, but probably not surprised, to hear that Cyberdyne - the company that invented Skynet and ultimately the murderous "Terminator" machines - has just listed on the Tokyo stock exchange.
Keep 'Killer Robots' Out of Policing (http://www.hrw.org/node/125418)
Human Rights Watch:
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(Geneva) – Fully autonomous weapons, or "killer robots," would jeopardize basic human rights, whether used in wartime or for law enforcement, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today, on the eve of the first multilateral meeting on the subject at the United Nations.
Armed Russian robocops to defend missile bases
These robots can detect and destroy targets, without human involvement.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22229664.400-armed-russian-robocops-to-defend-missile-bases.htm
BTW....
Eighty-seven countries recently participated in a UN summit on lethal autonomous weapons, which concluded with a resolution to address the issue again in November. **ONLY** Cuba, Pakistan, Egypt, Ecuador, and the Vatican backed a lethal autonomous weapons ban at the UN; everyone else wasn't sure. In short, put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.
Sh!t just got real!
"It weighs around 900 kilograms and has cameras, a laser rangefinder and radar sensors. For fire power it has a 12.7-millimetre heavy machine gun, with optional smaller weapons. It is quick too, hitting speeds of 45 kilometres per hour on a petrol engine."
You know our govt can't let Russia one-up us in any way with regard to arms.
>got real!
Yup, humanity has just crossed the line in the sand. (Publicly. I'm sure that several countries already have this -or greater- capability in the closet.)
>our govt can't let Russia one-up us
One of our drones will soon decide to up the game.
OK, this is war!
http://www.fastcodesign.com/3027687/i-tasted-bbq-sauce-made-by-ibms-watson-and-loved-it
BBQ Sauce!? Oh F!
You can enslave our women & children but in NC nobody f#cks with our bbq sauce.
Well, now there's no need for you to even try and run...
"The robot, called Raptor, has two nimble legs and a mechanism that mimics a tail. In a recent experiment, it achieved an impressive speed of 46 kilometers per hour on a treadmill.
That's faster than the fastest human, the Olympic sprinter Usain Bolt"
http://news.discovery.com/tech/robotics/velociraptor-inspires-fast-running-robot-140531.htm
Why do they always have to base these things on vicious hunting animals? Who's side are these scientists on anyway?
The subjugation ib the human race by skynet would be a lot less swift of there were more research into robot pandas and Guinea pigs.
That one is cool though
OMG, I'm freaked out by this - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=733016386721423
And they cheat...
http://www.industrytap.com/dastardly-japanese-robot-wins-rock-paper-scissors-100-time/19543
This guy is predicting that we'll have hybrid thinking within 20 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVXQUItNEDQ
I guess we'll need that to take on all the autonomous robots.
Consider this...
When we started this thread (3 forums ago), an article about some noteworthy development would come along about every month or two. Now it's every day or two.
It's that's singularity curve RC,
We're all doomed!
All jokes aside though, I am genuinely worried. I think I've watch too many Sci Fi moves.
I had 3 keys made by a bot yesterday. It looked like a cnc machine encased in an ATM but it couldn't fool me --I knew it was a bot and that it secretly wanted to filet me.
<added>
All 3 keys worked on the first try so I'm going to keep using the evil bastard.
And so it begins....
The humanoid-on-wheels named Pepper senses human gestures and emotions, communicates naturally, and can "make jokes, dance and amuse people," $1,900
http://stream.wsj.com/story/markets/SS-2-5/SS-2-548349/
Quote"make jokes, dance and amuse people,"
A good 80% of the people I know cannot do those three things.
Pertinent:
http://i.imgur.com/6RpTZgI.gif
The first wave is here.
"For $25,000—about the average annual cost of a US production worker's salary—customers can drop Baxter into a repetitive assembly line job and have it work alongside its human counterparts."
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/hands-on-with-baxter-the-factory-robot-of-the-future/
>For $25,000—about the average annual cost of a US production worker's salary
Is it really that low now, or are they projecting what it will be once these things are mass deployed?
>Is it really that low
You could ask why it's still that high. Likely 20% of that would be a great wage in China, 10% in many other countries. The fact that your job could be easily replaced with a cheap robot with pay back in less than a year should also sound a few warning bells.
We have similar problems this side of the water, huge numbers of people without any education or training leaving them fit only for very basic manual tasks or unemployment.
How this plays out I have no idea but the robots may even play a part in that.
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2008/10/packs-of-robots-will-hunt-down.html
Doing the math it makes sense, it just hit me how hard it would be to support a family on that pay. I know its bad and going to continue to get worse for unskilled labor.
>how hard it would be to support a family on that pay
In the west very difficult, that's why both partners have to work almost without exception.
Looking back, the biggest change I have seen in my life (forget the internet that is almost inconsequential) is that when I was growing up one person could support a family, that isn't possible now.
Or it is just possible, maybe we just have to forgo the 42 inch plasma TV in the bedroom?
I believe we are entering a very different time, a time where children will be less "wealthy" than their parents, it will be one hell of a ride.
Attack drones up for sale:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27902634
http://diydrones.com/
Supposed to be able to buy one with a gopro mount soon for 1500.
http://petapixel.com/2014/06/18/airdog-foldable-personal-gopro-drone-always-keeps-view/
Well, certain artisans will certainly be out of the job-loss risk zone. Sculptors working with stone, for instance:
https://i.imgur.com/5hWBWGw.gif
Nope.
Musk worries about this thread
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/18/elon-musk-deepmind-ai-tesla-motors
Wow, now this is cool, I may be buying one:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sqdr/hexo-your-autonomous-aerial-camera
This one videos you autonomously, flies around following you according to your specific frame specs with shooting from a gopro.
$800 with, $600 without camera
That's awesome! ..and creapy.
Looked at the Hexo page and now I get it - if I were a sponsored athlete, it could save me a lot of money on camera crews. I can imagine these will have to be banned at ski areas, skate parks and everywhere else people want rad footage of themselves. They have, by the way, already banned them in Yosemite National Park.
[ps - one of the "ambassadeurs" for this has actually stayed at our house, though I haven't met him... friend of a friend situation]
Looks like we are at the beginning of the rise of the nano-bots:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/06/18/323243085/someday-soon-you-may-swallow-a-computer-with-your-pill
Just had this video recommended to me by Youtube (they're picking up on the things I view as a result of this thread!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIn-sMq8-Ls
^ There go our plans to just smash up the robots when then rise. Creepy.
That little pill...
seems to me it is an insurance companies dream. They will know if you miss taking important tablets, drink too much, sleep too little, even fart alot.
This is sort of the flip side of the coming age of mechanization, what it's like to work in a major distribution center today -- a temporary cog in a wheel that will some day be replaced by a machine.
http://www.radiolab.org/story/brown-box/
Giant robots now - http://gizmodo.com/the-man-with-a-plan-to-build-a-70-foot-car-juggling-rob-1596515424
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2672636/Get-ready-Googlebot-Search-giant-start-selling-humanoid-robo-firefighter-winning-military-robo-olympics-contest.html
Google is to start selling a humanoid robot which can walk, climb, use tools and even drive a car.
Called Schaft, the robot was developed by a Japanese firm bought by Google.
It recently won a military 'robo-olympics' - but Google has revealed the machine is being pulled from future rounds of the contest so it can be developed into the firm's first commercial robot.
The video shows it completing some pretty complex tasks.
Hey, remember that time Google accidentally made Skynet?
http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/24/5835708/google-x-labs-artificial-intelligence-elon-musk-terminator
Oh dear, I'm stocking up on EMPs
Navy makes a jellyfish drone. If it swims, is it still called a drone?
http://news.discovery.com/videos/robot-jellyfish-patrolling-the-oceans.htm
Shinzo Abe aims to stage a high-profile Robot Olympics alongside its 2020 summer games and treble the size of the nation's robotics industry in a bid to revitalise the economy
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/10913610/Japans-PM-plans-2020-Robot-Olympics.html
They are making robotic bees.
http://www.slashgear.com/robot-bees-being-built-to-replace-real-bugs-04339699/
slip, slip, slip...
http://www.cio.com/article/2603602/healthcare/mayo-clinic-turns-to-ibms-watson-to-fill-clinical-trials.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMKQbqnXXhQ
No, it's not the one you've seen before. Now UNtethered. Also, it's battery-driven --unlike that Big Dog one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITTvgkO2Xw4
US Navy drone boats, I believe they are aiming for operational readiness within a year.
About 2 weeks ago, the Coast Guard announced swarm bots that could inspect ships. As I recall, there were two types, one for the hull
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2688592/mit-is-developing-underwater-robots-that-hunt-for-drugs.html
and another bug-sized type that they poured into the hold or -I'm guessing- containers.
Norway's 'killer robot' technology under firehttp://www.thelocal.no/20141023/norways-killer-robot-technology-under-fire
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The partially autonomously controlled missiles, or so-called "killer robots", will be used for airborne strikes for its new fighter jets and have the ability to identify targets and make decisions to kill without human interference.
http://i.imgur.com/xP2lpT3.gif
Elon Musk knows what's up:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/27/elon-musk-artificial-intelligence_n_6053804.html
That clip was way too flippant imo. We have no idea what AI is going to be like or how it will interact with us.
SciFi gives four potential paths:
1 it (attempts to?) destroy us
2 it nannies us
3 it interacts with us on as fellow sentient life form
4 it moves on and has nothing to do with us
We really have no idea which way it will happen. One scary thought is that AI is the dominant form of intelligent life in the universe and that creatures like us are just stepping stones to get there.
Colossus the Forbin Project
http://youtu.be/SmSsXoPxi0M
So I suspect it will be 1 and 2.
"UCAS, also known as the Future Air Combat System, is envisioned as a system that would provide sustained surveillance, mark targets, gather intelligence, deter adversaries and carry out strikes in hostile territory."
aka Skynet
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2014/11/06/Britain-France-award-joint-contracts-for-unmanned-combat-aircraft-program/2481415300587/
Meet Atlas
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/gif/2014/11/10/b7a6cea214329b3ed4f06488058dd4152b55d564.gif
Looks like its about to do a karate kid kick.
>karate kid
Very perceptive
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2829213/The-robo-karate-kid-Terrifying-two-legged-giant-robot-developed-Google-learns-stand-one-leg-recreates-scene-cult-film.html
Stephen Hawking warns artificial intelligence could end mankind (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30290540)
Interesting part starts at 2:48. They're getting even better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2itwFJCgFQ
This thing is right out of an Isaac Asimov book.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgIwgcz8iaM
The Marines are building Robotic War Balls
http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2015/02/marines-are-building-robotic-war-balls/105258/
How Uber's Autonomous Cars Will Destroy 10 Million Jobs And Reshape The Economy by 2025
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/01/27/how-ubers-autonomous-cars-will-destroy-10-million-jobs-and-reshape-the-economy-by-2025-lyft-google-zack-kanter/
Great article, LM. It's going to be fun living through this transition.
QuoteDestroy 10 Million Jobs
Maybe we should rethink that ...
QuoteDestroy 10 Million Jobs
Too late, that started with the industrial revolution.
It is a bit of a precipice. When we no longer need people to serve coffee, what will everyone do?
hopefully help each other, not commit Hara Kiri.
.
>Jobs
McDonald's testing kiosks (http://tbo.com/news/business/mcdonalds-testing-kiosks-at-wesley-chapel-restaurant-20150325/?page=1)
I'm not sure whether to tag this 'jobs' or 'terminator' ...maybe both?
"We will make the most efficient hotel in the world," company President Hideo Sawada told a news conference. "In the future, we'd like to have more than 90 percent of hotel services operated by robots."
http://by2045.com/item/368-japan-to-open-world-s-first-robot-staffed-hotel
>jobs
($60) per night
https://youtu.be/T3fWhG-TM7A
According to her official profile, Asuna is a beautiful 15-year-old who was "born" in Tokyo. She is 155 cm tall (61 inches) and weighs 43 kg (95 lbs)...but she's an ANDROID
Bill, is that the right link?
Yesterday, when looking at the headlines about fast food workers striking for higher wages, I was struck by the irony of this article/video also sweeping through all my news sources
Robotic chef:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-32282131
http://giant.gfycat.com/TiredNegativeDikdik.gif
Quote.It's 6-foot-2, with laser eyes and vise-grip hands. It can walk over a mess of jagged cinder blocks, cut a hole in a wall, even drive a car
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/ready-to-lend-a-hand-or-3-in-the-next-disaster/2015/05/16/2ea78a16-fa6c-11e4-9ef4-1bb7ce3b3fb7_story.html
(Warning: video less impressive than it sounds)
Go ahead and break this robot's legs. It can figure out how to chase you without them.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2015/05/27/go-ahead-and-break-this-robots-legs-it-can-figure-out-how-to-chase-you-without-them/
3d printed robot opens combination locks in 30 seconds
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/this-little-3-d-printed-robot-cracks-combination-118967003179.html
Well, at least we'll be eviscerated with precision
http://i.imgur.com/UN6A3tf.gif
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WO_f7_1z4A
First 30 seconds.
Carnegie Mellon lost 40 robotics engineers to Uber.
"Something tells me they're not going to be hiring a lot more new drivers pretty soon."
In Oregon they mandate jobs by making it illegal to pump your own gas. I wonder if this is going to happen with tasks that are run by machines, like all fast food restaurants will need at least one human on site and all driverless cars/trucks will need a human on-board.
This article (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-tracy/autonomous-vehicles-will-_b_7556660.html) is claiming that driverless cars will wipe out ~4 million jobs and $148 billion in wages.
Will your self-driving car be programmed to kill you if it means saving more strangers? (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/06/150615124719.htm)
The thing with robots...making them more "human" looking makes me freak out more. I could not stay at that hotel in Japan that's run by human-looking robots or even deal with the ones that just "sorta" look human-like (the obvious machine looking ones that have a "head.")
Honestly, it triggers my lizard-brain fear response: it's not rational at all, but the fear is there.
Yeah, I don' think you are alone there.
Quote from: grnidone on July 01, 2015, 03:15:51 PM
The thing with robots...making them more "human" looking makes me freak out more.
Well known effect usually referred to as the Uncanny Valley
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley
Robot kills man http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/robot-kills-man-volkswagen-plant-germany-32163980
Great. Once they have tasted of blood...
Don't worry. A cunning and scrappy low-tech band of resistance fighters led by Morgan Freeman will figure out how to stop this by going into battle and switching to manual.
PS - does anyone else find it ironic that no matter how many times the Terminator thread seems to be dead, it keeps coming back?
Robots, the West vs. Japan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXz0boNmwak
Robots showing the first signs of self awareness
International Business Times: First Signs Of Self-Awareness In Robots Detected. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwpK6smSA
Musk, Wozniak and Hawking urge ban on warfare AI and autonomous weapons (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/27/musk-wozniak-hawking-ban-ai-autonomous-weapons)Quote
Over 1,000 high-profile artificial intelligence experts and leading researchers have signed an open letter warning of a "military artificial intelligence arms race" and calling for a ban on "offensive autonomous weapons".
The letter, presented at the International Joint Conference on Artificial Intelligence in Buenos Aires, Argentina, was signed by Tesla's Elon Musk, Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, Google DeepMind chief executive Demis Hassabis and professor Stephen Hawking along with 1,000 AI and robotics researchers.
...
The authors argue that AI can be used to make the battlefield a safer place for military personnel, but that offensive weapons that operate on their own would lower the threshold of going to battle and result in greater loss of human life.
added:
One thing I was thinking about is that there doesn't need to be true AI for an autonomous weapon to pose a threat. A simple, dumb algorithm used for rules of engagement without the ability to reason out a situation could be just as or even more dangerous.
This is a really long post, but I thought it was worth the time. I recommend part 2 (the future).
Basically, artificial super intelligence will happen between 2022 and 2075 (2040 most think it'll be here). We'll either become immortal or extinct.
http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html
http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-2.html
https://www.facebook.com/UniversoRacionalista/videos/758648317585394/
That is amazing! I'd like to see this type of technology in 10-20 years. I imagine that there are lots of issues right now, like battery life, weight, sensory input, but all those areas are having major breakthroughs right now.
Robots can now chase you through the woods: http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2015/08/18/watch-boston-dynamics-humanoid-atlas-robot-can-now-chase-you-through-the-forest/
Wow, fortunately it looks a little clumsy at this point.
now with moar reproduction
http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/08/robot-that-produces-babies/
Taser Drones legalised in North Dakota : http://www.inquisitr.com/2369682/police-taser-drones-legalized-in-north-dakota/
This is a big mistake. I hope that the citizens of ND get their act together and pass a law against armed police drones.
That sounds like an idea we may come to regret
>>Robots can now chase you through the woods
Until they run out of batteries.... that's the achilles heel. Other aspects of robotics are progressing quickly, but onboard power is still a problem (or perhaps a solution). If they figure out onboard power with no tether, we're screwed.
These are good! I have only skimmed so far. There's a lot that's familiar, but it's a great roundup... with great drawings.
The one thing I would *love* to see is what the horizon time predictions were at various stages
- in 1970 when did they think AGI/ASI would arrive?
- in 1990?
- in 2000?
Computer scientists have a history of optimism and not seeing how hard problems are. Donald Knuth famously hired a summer intern in the 1960s or 1970s with the summer project of figuring out how to do image recognition. Might be an apocryphal story, but it does get to the heart of it.
That said, I have Google Voice and the transcript quality is incomparable to when it started. Neural nets are pushing image recognition. For the first time I see these things on predictable trajectories where it is almost guaranteed they will surpass humans in my lifetime....
Quote from: Travoli on July 27, 2015, 06:06:55 PM
This is a really long post, but I thought it was worth the time. I recommend part 2 (the future).
Basically, artificial super intelligence will happen between 2022 and 2075 (2040 most think it'll be here). We'll either become immortal or extinct.
http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html
http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-2.html
For example, I'm pretty sure this is total BS
QuoteIf Kurzweil and others who agree with him are correct, then we may be as blown away by 2030 as our 1750 guy was by 2015
Sorry, but no.
http://imgur.com/gallery/bs5qpUT
(https://th3core.com/chat/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fbs5qpUT.jpg&hash=89cbc20b1d3ec67a235f3ed74673e1a4243d1229)
Ergophobe, probably more like what a 1940s guy would react to today.
Jason, that's cool art
I also like the Scooby-Do one: http://i.imgur.com/MQlDc.jpg
Its nice to see Velma finally lose that turtleneck.
That is cool art.
Quote from: littleman on August 28, 2015, 03:41:34 PM
Ergophobe, probably more like what a 1940s guy would react to today.
Maybe. We can't know. But there are a few holes I could poke in this
1. in terms of a hunter/gatherer being brought into 1750 society, we did that experiment with thousands upon thousands of slaves and they didn't die from technological shock. They died from disease or mistreatment. As recently as 1911 we did the experiment again and again, Ishi didn't die from technological shock, but from disease. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishi
2. I think we're about the same age (52). As a kid, I remember all sorts of predictions about
- space travel - remember the show Space 1999? Uh... dude, where's my spaceship
- artificial intelligence - HAL: "Good morning Dave."
- evolution: moving toward no jaw, spindly arms and big heads because everything was becoming automated... then POOF Jane Fonda, Richard Simmons, the deification of Navy Seals, steroids in bodybuilding.
There was a great quote from Arthur C Clarke upon the landing of the first Mars Rover where he said "If someone had told me in 1969 that in 2000? we would land a toaster on Mars and consider it a triumph, I would never have believed it."
The key thing is that 35 years isn't that much. We just saw the release of the first new storage technology in 26(?) years since Flash/SSD. After 26 years we still mostly use spinning platters in most low to mid-range machines.
The second thing is that the trends we see at present aren't necessarily the ones that will continue, let alone exponentially.
At 52 I look at my "Alzheimer's Horizon." If they nail down the actual cause of it tomorrow, and they take five years to find a "cure" and it takes five years to bring to market, I'm in just under the wire. But they still don't know the cause (amyloid plaque may cause it or it may be a defense mechanism, they still don't know).
So I guess what I'm trying to say is that the exponential increase makes sense when projecting longer time frames, but over shorter time frames we can peer into the near future and see how hard it is to change.
Imagine, for example, a completely new source of energy appeared tomorrow. A new type of plant that large amounts of energy at very low cost with no pollution. How long would it take before the world was entirely off coal and natural gas generating facilities?
In my neighborhood it took ten years to get over the squabbling on how to fund the sewer treatment plant upgrade - so it took literally 11 years to deploy an existing technology to fix a pressing problem (raw sewage going into the creek and notices of violation from the state water board).
I'm a little younger (43) but I watched a lot of reruns as a kid :-), so our cultural references are probably the same. You make some good points. Technological growth happens in fits and starts, and they don't happen across all areas at the same rate. Just Monday I was at the California Science Center where they had an A-12 (the CIA's version of the SR-71 Blackbird) on display and I was thinking that this plane was developed 58 years ago and we still don't have anything that has toped it. I am sure our best and brightest could with an unlimited budget make a jet powered plane that is marginally faster, but that's not likely to happen.
edit: grammar
>still don't have anything that has tops it
Well, not anything public.
>best and brightest
Hiring the brightest might be a tough sell. I wonder how the government competes against Google, Tesla, etc...
Quote from: littleman on August 28, 2015, 06:53:06 PM
I'm a little younger (43)
Ah, I thought a little older. So you missed the moon landing.
If you were a six year-old kid in 1969 and watched moon landing, you felt like Star Trek was around the corner. And when it gets right down to it, I look at all the technology advance in my life and sort of yawn... it's so much less than I expected in these 46 years since then.
The one thing that does astound me is that I carry something in my pocket with more computing horsepower than the Cray II, the supercomputer that won the Cold War as it's know (which had a bit less juice than the iPhone 5 from what I've read).
We didn't even touch on medicine. Kurzweil has this incredible utopian view of medical advance. The thing is, look at cancer. Five-year survival rates have gone way up.... but the dirty little secret is that the main driver of that is diagnosis. More people are getting early diagnoses and many of these people were never going to die of cancer in the next five years anyway. In apples to apples comparisons, there hasn't been nearly that much progress against cancer.
So some of our positive view of the present is, I believe, unfounded.
And this is without even getting into questions of resource depletion, climate change, crippling govt debt and host of other real-world issues that can put a brake on "progress"
Who fancies living in a "people zoo"?
http://glitch.news/2015-08-27-ai-robot-that-learns-new-words-in-real-time-tells-human-creators-it-will-keep-them-in-a-people-zoo.html
Interesting read, although not quite as horrific as the headline.
Quote from: Rooftop on August 29, 2015, 10:59:30 PM
Interesting read, although not quite as horrific as the headline.
Actually less horrific and more interesting than the headline would suggest. The "people zoo" comment seems canned.
But for all the talk about Google using/not really using Latent Semantic Analysis (or LSI but I forget what the "I" is in that), here's something that supposedly is really using it to simulate natural language ability.... it's coming
Dilbert:
http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-09-01
Heh, Scott Adams has a pretty interesting blog too.
https://www.facebook.com/inverse/videos/878457932202655/
A mini me on a bike.
Lots of sex with robots by 2050, less with each other:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/03/sex-in-2050-more-robots-less-humans.html
^^^^ = less babies
Maybe they won't need to kill us off, just subvert our reproductive cycle?
Of all the ways to go, I like that idea best, LM.
"where an AI becomes better than humans at AI design, so that it can recursively improve itself without human help. If this happens, we may face an intelligence explosion that ultimately results in machines whose intelligence exceeds ours by more than ours exceeds that of snails."
Prof. Hawking
https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/3nyn5i/science_ama_series_stephen_hawking_ama_answers/
Hawking has been warning about AI (and alien life) for many years now. I personally believe that the likelihood of AI coming about is much more likely than a visit from another planet.
Quote from: littleman on October 08, 2015, 03:11:28 PM
Hawking has been warning about AI (and alien life) for many years now. I personally believe that the likelihood of AI coming about is much more likely than a visit from another planet.
I strongly agree. The problem with zipping between stars is that the energy cost is enormous. Radio signal, maybe. But actual visitors? Let's say I do not believe the alien abduction stories, but I do believe in humanity's ability to create tools that will screw us in the end.
New Boston Dynamics bot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVlhMGQgDkY)
I see we've already started to bully the robots. This won't end well.
Quote from: Travoli on February 25, 2016, 02:10:13 AM
I see we've already started to bully the robots. This won't end well.
That dude with the beard is kind of a jerk.
Reddit gets it: http://imgur.com/z8nxId1
Quote from: Travoli on February 25, 2016, 11:14:27 PM
Reddit gets it: http://imgur.com/z8nxId1
Someone put a lot of work into that.
Watch Google's robot 'Spot' play with Andy Rubin's real dog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7nhygaGOmo
Is a crossbow is an effective tool to help feed you?
http://imgur.com/x8sbRnS
Yeah, that'll work.
Panasonic gives us our first look at bionic factory workers
http://mashable.com/2016/03/19/panasonic-exoskeleton/
(One day, when I have the courage, I'm going to go back to the beginning of this thread and re-read it.)
Ah, the power suit fad. That brief period before real machine efficiency was achieved.
Yeah, think of the humans as 'training wheels.'
Microsoft deletes 'teen girl' AI after it became a Hitler-loving sex robot within 24 hours (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/03/24/microsofts-teen-girl-ai-turns-into-a-hitler-loving-sex-robot-wit/)
>Microsoft deletes 'teen girl' AI after it became a Hitler-loving sex robot within 24 hours
Interesting choice of name too, Tay (Tây) is Vietnamese for westerner/caucasian.
Ha, prophetic. It is probably not likely that the name influenced the behavior of the bot, but that would be very interesting if it did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLRLYPiaAoA
4 minutes, NSFW language. AI has first conversation with its creators.
That was good.
Stick a fork in it, we're toast.
QuoteThe robots are 3D-printed in one single step using functional hydraulics.
"All you have to do is stick in a battery and motor, and you have a robot that can practically walk right out of the printer," said Daniela Rus, director at MIT's Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL).
https://www.rt.com/usa/338719-mit-3d-print-robot/
DARPA recently christened its brand new Anti-Submarine Warfare Continuous Trail Unmanned Vessel (ACTUV). The autonomous vessel can travel on the high seas at speeds up to 27 knots for months on end without a single crew member.
http://gizmodo.com/darpas-new-robot-is-ready-to-go-submarine-hunting-1769608583
I am not sure if autonomy or remote control scares me more; they b oth have so much potential to go wrong.
Pace of articles definitely increasing. Tipping point still maybe 2-3 yrs away?
Robots set to aid postal workers with deliveries in Germany
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-deutsche-post-germany-robots-idUSKCN0X41ZR
aid replace
>replace
In effect, they already are replacing those additional humans that would have to be hired to handle the increasing volume. But an 'aid' to existing workers will slip by the DE labor unions.
In Japan, an artificial intelligence has been appointed creative director
http://www.springwise.com/japan-artificial-intelligence-appointed-creative-director/
>advertising and marketing agency
Now it's getting personal.
Panasonic's pink Dalek delivery bot has been cleared for hospital work
http://www.theverge.com/2016/4/26/11507314/panasonic-hospi-r-delivery-bot-hospital-work
Foxconn replaces '60,000 factory workers with robots'
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36376966
A quote from another forum:
"Displacing a large percentage of human labor without a plan in place to put that displaced labor to productive use is a sure-fire recipe for long-term crisis."
Asus have it:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/may/31/asus-zenbo-robot-price-smartphone-voice-face
QuoteThe $599 (£410) robot rolls around on two wheels in the shape of a vacuum cleaner ball with cameras an oblong head extruding from the top with a colour touchscreen displaying a face with emotions. It is capable of independent movement, can respond to voice commands and has both entertainment protocols for keeping kids amused and home care systems to help look after older people.
I was listening to the Tim Ferris interview with Marc Andreesen and he said that some econ group (World Economic Forum??, World Bank?) did a study saying that automated systems would destroy 5,000,000 jobs by 2020.
He put this in perspective by saying that the US economy destroyed 21,000,000 jobs last year and created 23,500,000. He pointed out that the rate of job destruction in the US has actually slowed over the last 50 years. So he doesnt' see a problem.
To me, he is missing the thing Ray Kurzweil says everyone misses - potential for exponential growth. Will the exponential growth in job destruction be matched by exponential growth in job creation?
Unless something better comes along, I plan to buy Ver2 or Ver3 of the Asus bot.
http://gizmodo.com/boston-dynamics-made-a-robot-baby-giraffe-that-can-do-y-1782491650
At least after this robot is doing taking over the world it can do the dishes. But it's one weakness seems to be banana peels.
That looks like a very useful design for a home robot. Man, a dish-washing robot would be such a golden goose.
This is old but blew me away.
Colin Furze is an eccentric video blogger who was previously a plumber. He became famous through lots of his mad inventions.
This one tops the lot though. A bunker under his garden (funded by Sky TV)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGjbAdaOBLBlS1MPKXYmqwZLZhWC1FAMx
fast food workers should put their heads between their legs and kiss their collective asses $15 minimum wage goodbye
A Robot-Run Burger Joint Is Coming To San Francisco
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/robots/a21645/robot-run-burger-joint/
We want pix, LM.
BTW, a few months ago Wendy's corporate made a statement to analysts that said they were prioritizing the dev of ff robots.
>South of Market area in San Francisco
That area has become extremely gentrified in recent years. I am not sure that's the place to launch a robot made burger joint. I mean, it will probably get some attention at first, but I could see the hipsters turning their collective noses up at it.
This one freaks me out a little:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/robots/a21716/swimming-stingray-robot-rat-cells/
"By using living cells they were able to build this robot in a way that you just couldn't replicate with any other material," says Adam Feinberg, a roboticist at Carnegie Mellon University who has worked with Parker's team before, but was not involved in developing this new robot. "You shine a light, and it triggers the muscles to swim. You couldn't replicate this movement with on-board electronics and actuators while keeping it lightweight and maneuverable. And it really is remote controlled, like a TV set."
Just cam here to post this same link. Sometimes this thread gives me genuine chills. This is one of those times.
Combine with this one for real nightmares http://www.alphr.com/technology/1003863/lab-grown-drones-could-be-the-future-of-warfare
The singularity won't come all at once...
http://qz.com/727153/the-dallas-police-department-used-a-bomb-robot-to-take-out-last-nights-sniper/
Read the above?
Add a splash of this algo and now we're really getting somewhere:
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/scientists-taught-a-robot-to-hunt-prey-deep-learning-visualise
It has started...
Use of police robot to kill Dallas shooting suspect believed to be first in US history
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/08/police-bomb-robot-explosive-killed-suspect-dallas
Yeah, that event definitely belongs in this thread.
I keep reading this, but isn't this a misnomer? Isn't this a human-controlled machine that has no robotic (i.e. autonomous) function? I see no difference between this and shooting someone with a gun.
On the other hand...
Quotehttp://motherboard.vice.com/read/scientists-taught-a-robot-to-hunt-prey-deep-learning-visualise
Quote"One could imagine future luggage or shopping carts that follow you..."
... while carrying 1kg of C4 explosive and...
... run like humans
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/durus-robot-sneakers
It was a remote control machine, not an autonomous robot. Yet, it was a bomb strapped to a machine which created distance between the operator and the target -- much like a drone strike.
Quote from: littleman on July 12, 2016, 11:37:21 PM
created distance between the operator and the target -- much like a drone strike.
Or an atlatl. In an absolute sense, what's the difference?
I'd say the difference is the distance and an abstraction layer.
In other news:
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_30118119/report-security-robot-at-stanford-shopping-mall-injures
Related: My youngest (4y.o.) was on University Ave. in Palo Alto and was approached by one of these (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCmwxEusS8o) and it made her cry.
Sure. But it's relative. It's like going from a cavalry charge to a rifle, which is a huge jump up in abstraction and distance and elicited all sorts of feelings about cowardly warfare etc etc... So it's a noteworthy change. And since you've listened to the Wrath of Khans, you know that a cavalry charge could get pretty bad.
It is *not*, however, like going from a human pulling the trigger to a robot pulling the trigger, which is why a struggle to understand why everyone keeps saying they used a robot and why everyone cares so much. Let's put it another way: would it have been different if they had pulled up a 105mm howitzer and blasted him with an artillery shell? To me that would be far worse, but it would be a completely different discussion.
I find remote killing by police worrying, but I can't believe that more people aren't talking about the Police using a pound C4 to 'take out' a target. Doesn't anyone else find that unbelievably disturbing?
> Police using a pound C4 to 'take out' a target. Doesn't anyone else find that unbelievably disturbing?
No more disturbing than other common alternatives of delivering death.
A hail of bullets is expected, explosives are no more or less deadly than that.
I'm with you Rooftop. I hope this doesn't become the new normal.
Whereas I'm with Jason. I find the effect the important thing, not the weapon.
I grabbed the Fresno Bee at the airport on my way out of town on Saturday and reading it in the plane was astounded to find out at that there were *two* stories about fatal police shootings in this town of 500,000 people, both of which were in the last couple of weeks. Were they bad guys? I don't know, but these cases weren't even on the national news. We have cops killing people every day all over America. What is troubling in America is the wanton killing. We have become so accustomed to people being shot it no longer seems shocking, but when the cops lob a pound of C4 it suddenly is.
From the perspective of the recipient and his family, he's just as dead. I guess it's just a matter of perspective, but I still can't see the difference.
Now, if it were an autonomous robot they used that got shown a picture of the bad guy and was let loose on it's own to do the killing I would see a major difference, but all that's changed here as near as I can tell is killing someone at a distance with a weapon that requires line of site versus killing someone at a distance with a weapon that uses a camera to see around the corner.
But I think we just simply see this differently. Agree or disagree, I like to at least see others' point of view, but here there's some gap that I just can't bridge...
Okay, I'll try to articulate my perspective.
When a police officer shoots someone there is suppose to be an immediate threat to his/her life or the lives of others. This, of course, is not always the case. Now we have a situation where the police were most likely very safe, they rolled up a remote control robot and blew someone up. They didn't have to wait him out, or negotiate.
Will we some day have remote controlled robots doing raids on homes? Will they be equipped with guns or bombs? What happens if someone in that house brandishes a weapon, or attacks a robot? There would not be any immediate danger to human life, but can the police use deadly force to stop the attack?
Each time one creates a greater abstraction layer when it comes to killing it gets easier to do. A drone strike on a building is much less intimate than hand to hand combat, no PTSD, much less accountability. It will also be much harder to gather counter evidence on a scene if the place is blown up. Is it a justifiable homicide? Lets dig through the rubble...
Okay. I get your position now. I can see that. Thanks for taking the time!
Quote from: littleman on July 14, 2016, 12:04:40 AM
no PTSD
You missed the memo on this one though
- http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/23/us/drone-pilots-found-to-get-stress-disorders-much-as-those-in-combat-do.html?_r=0
- http://www.salon.com/2015/03/06/a_chilling_new_post_traumatic_stress_disorder_why_drone_pilots_are_quitting_in_record_numbers_partner/
- http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/21655-air-force-worries-about-drone-pilot-ptsd
Okay, less PTSD. I am sure those jobs are incredibly stressful, and I'd rather dig through trash to recycle cans than take one.
Back to your original topic... I have been hearing for years of guns that would shoot around a corner with an explosive charge. It appears the military finally has them ready for testing
http://futurism.com/the-us-armys-has-a-new-smart-grenade-launcher-that-can-take-out-people-hiding-behind-cover/
I was thinking of those when I was thinking of the grey continuum between shooting someone with a bullet and delivering a charge with an RC machine.
Some of those existed in WWII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z56SNHHL60U
This could go in the FBA thread too I guess.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/19/amazon-wants-to-use-lampposts-churches-as-drone-perches.html
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Amazon has been awarded a patent for "docking stations" for its delivery drones that will be built on tall structures such as lampposts or churches and allow the unmanned machines to recharge and pick up packages.
"The docking stations may incorporate a number of features to enable UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) to fly longer routes, to fly routes more accurately, and to provide shelter during adverse conditions," Amazon's U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) filing said.
I read the URL first and spent several seconds pondering what a "lamp post church" was before reading the quote.
No worries people. Use bananas
https://plus.google.com/+Inewtechnology/posts/UsGN3M4ePsj
http://singularityhub.com/2016/08/14/ibms-new-artificial-neurons-a-big-step-toward-brain-like-computers/
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/uber-autonomous-cars-haul-people-125127470.html
Quote
The ride-hailing company said Thursday that customers will be able to opt into the test program, which will use autonomous Ford Fusions summoned by the touch of a smartphone. Although other companies are testing self-driving cars on public roads, this is the first time the public will get access to them.
https://shift.newco.co/the-real-reason-this-elephant-chart-is-terrifying-421e34cc4aa6
This article looks at global cumulative real income growth from 1988 to 2008 and does some analysis of what's going to happen in developing and developed countries as technology continues to replace jobs.
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Technology has gotten so cheap that it is now more economically viable to buy robots than it is to pay people $5 a day.
...
We need to be thinking hard, now, about technological unemployment. About the fact that while technology provides benefits to billions, the economic gains tend to be concentrated for a few. About the fact that we made up the idea of a job in the first place.
This is not a task for a small group of intellectual elites. This needs to be a collective conversation, from first principles: What should our global socioeconomic system look like?
I have this strange deja vu - I thought you already posted that and I already posted this
http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2016/08/03/488611449/episode-715-the-sewing-robot
Sewing robots are coming.
Traditionally sewing has been a hugely hard automation problem because of sheer... that's close to solved.
Traditionally sewing has been a hugely important first industry to take the poorest countries into the middle, as it did with China (and England in some ways). This problem is yet to be solved. What will the new bridge industry be? What if there isn't one?
Yeah, you did post that Yeah, that was in RC's thread (http://th3core.com/talk/economics-investing/having-attained-middle-income-status-vietnam-aims-higher/); there have been a lot of articles on the topic lately.
Standford 100 Year AI Report
https://ai100.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/ai_100_report_0831fnl.pdf
AI will eliminate 6 percent of jobs in five years (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/12/ai-will-eliminate-six-percent-of-jobs-in-five-years-says-report.html)
Meanwhile, Atlas is working on his dexterity
https://i.imgur.com/nPaEsUJ.gifv
truck-mounted brick laying robot (updated version)
http://inhabitat.com/brick-laying-robot-stacks-1000-bricks-an-hour-to-build-a-house-in-2-days/
The articular said "The adhesive eliminates the need for mortar, so the robot can build wall after wall in no time without human assistance." But there are clear gaps in the bricks. Maybe the walls get a spray treatment of some kind to fill in the gaps?
>mortar
I noticed that, too, and searched the page. No mention of what they do that I found.
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2016/10/04/governor-jerry-brown-signs-bill-to-allow.html?ana=yahoo
Quote
California Governor Jerry Brown signed a bill into law last week that allows autonomous vehicles to operate on public roads with no driver, steering wheel or human-operated breaks.
The new guidelines, released Friday, state that companies can test autonomous vehicles without a driver if they include a two-way communication link between the car's passengers and a "remote operator." The vehicle must also meet federal standards, including a 15-point safety assessment.
Thieving little bastards...
http://i.imgur.com/lG8WcI5.gifv
Hahaha, wow.
That plus self-driving tow trucks and you have quite an operation.
AI creates encryption system that humans don't understand
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/28/ai_creates_its_own_encryption_system/
That's really something, huh? I could foresee a day when AI data encryption is outlawed in the private sector -- but I am sure it will not stop it from happening.
I think that ship has sailed. Aren't there still laws on the export of strong encryption? I don't think they do very much.
This could fit in several threads, I think I'll just drop it here:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/04/elon-musk-robots-will-take-your-jobs-government-will-have-to-pay-your-wage.html
Years ago I was having a conversation with NFFC about how we are in the end days of someone being able to move up the the income ladder before the major restructuring. Basically, if you aim to have wealth, you better start/keep accumulating now while you still can.
This might interest NFFC. Sewing robot. http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/11/technology/robots-garment-manufacturing-sewbo/index.html
thats cool.
Next stop a full suit. It would work nicely in the bespoke world. Walk into the shop, measure, choose the fabric then watch it being made.
Quote from: Travoli on November 07, 2016, 12:06:54 AM
This might interest NFFC. Sewing robot. http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/11/technology/robots-garment-manufacturing-sewbo/index.html
Planet Money had a podcast about this back in April that was pretty good.
http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2016/08/03/488611449/episode-715-the-sewing-robot
Wasn't sure where to post this, it runs into several threads, but I see similar here:
http://www.businessinsider.com/stephen-hawking-ai-automation-middle-class-jobs-most-dangerous-moment-humanity-2016-12?r=UK&IR=T
No lines, no checkout, no registers, no jobs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrmMk1Myrxc)
Quote from: littleman on December 05, 2016, 05:46:03 PM
No lines, no checkout, no registers, no jobs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrmMk1Myrxc)
And... http://th3core.com/talk/water-coolerextra/another-amazon-breakthrough/
The McDonald's self-service kiosk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbWfmWCkauQ)
Why the McDonald's self-service kiosk doesn't threaten as many jobs as you might think
http://fortune.com/2015/08/25/mcdonalds-self-service-kiosk-problem/
Interesting. I suppose they could do the 'kiosk' via a cell phone app that would take care of the drive-though people. Hmm... I guess that would be technically illegal and dangerous unless they order before they pull up to the drive-though. This won't be an issue when self-driving cars become widely adapted.
World's largest hedge fund replaces human managers with AI
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/dec/22/bridgewater-associates-ai-artificial-intelligence-management
One of my wife's cousins is an AI engineer. He was working for a hedge fund between working for MS and Google.
Fox news on how driverless cars will change employment in the next 10 years (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t58UYk_gakk)
I was surprised by the tone by the host on FOX, as I usually think of the network as pro-business and not very concern about the casualties of technology. The next 20 years are going to be a very bad time for people with moderate intelligence.
Quote from: littleman on December 27, 2016, 03:41:11 AM
bad time for people with moderate intelligence.
I honestly don't think intelligence has a lot to do with it. I think it's more a question of education (type, more than amount) and adaptability (which is partly a function of wealth, that is, having a cushion to ramp up in a new field).
It's more luck and adaptability. There are some really smart people in the wrong industries - as the Fox host mentioned, think about bookstores. I actually loved some of the interviewer comments and how he was able to go big picture...
"Thank you for acknowledging reality" (after saying that these out of work drivers were not going to become software engineer
"The tech industry doesn't own the roads." (making the point that it's going to cause a lot of economic dislocation for workers and making the point that if you take away 4 million driving jobs and reduce the 30,000 traffic deaths per year, there will be some offset in "slow suicide" by oxycontin and cirrhosis of the liver).
"Nobody in my world cares about this at all. Nobody in 'rich person world' thinks about this."
I don't know Tucker Carlson, but he's an interesting character, based on his Wikipedia article
QuoteAt the 2009 Conservative Political Action Conference, Carlson was booed for saying that the journalists at The New York Times care about accuracy.
On the Iraq war
QuoteI think it's a total nightmare and disaster, and I'm ashamed that I went against my own instincts in supporting it. It's something I'll never do again. Never. I got convinced by a friend of mine who's smarter than I am, and I shouldn't have done that. No. I want things to work out, but I'm enraged by it, actually.
I don't disagree with you, there will most likely be a lot of smart people who are going to not be able to adapt and of course luck and timing are huge too. There will be plenty of smart and skilled people who are going to be hurt from automation as well.
That said, for the type of people who's most marketable assets are a capable body and showing up to work on time things will be particularly rough. BTW, I had a conversation with a baby-boomer who also is concern about this trend; more evidence that awareness is spreading.
>>I actually loved some of the interviewer comments
He was reprimanded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE)by Jon Stewart years ago on CrossFire for making a mockery of news. Maybe it had an impact?
Quote from: littleman on December 27, 2016, 04:58:07 AM
That said, for the type of people who's most marketable assets are a capable body
My sister has an engineering degree and an MBA from Harvard, but she was in the same job for a long time and is of a certain age and it turns out to be not that easy to find decent-paying work even for her. I think the big advantage will be based not on intelligence, but on people who have made regular career switches if for no other reason than the contact list you have from doing that.
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He was reprimanded by Jon Stewart years ago on CrossFire for making a mockery of news. Maybe it had an impact?
Interesting. I don't watch any broadcast TV at home, but when I am out and about, I see Fox pretty often and most of their anchors infuriate me. This was an exception. And the recent Megyn Kelly interview on Fresh Air was impressive actually. Now that Glenn Beck has repeatedly apologized for the toxic effect he has had on American media and politics, perhaps Tucker Carlson is in a similar vein. I'd never heard of the guy until your clip.
I want to see an intelligent robot that is able to harvest soft produce: tomatoes, berries, peaches, etc.
I'm tired of people making robots that are meant to blast the crap out of people. I want to see a robot that helps people.
Go ahead Mackin, call me a f*cking hippy.
You're behind the times... they've been available for a while now, at least for grapes.
Basically, robotics now is mostly a cost analysis - what is the final cost to get a product to market with and without robots. If He Who Shall Not Be Named builds a wall and ejects all the undocumented immigrants, expect to see a big uptick in orders for fruit-picking robots.
Grape-picking robot from 2012 (aka "olden times" in AI/robotics years)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2209975/Meet-Wall-Ye-The-French-grape-picking-robot-work-day-night--vineyard-workers-job.html
2013 - robotic strawberry picker
https://www.asme.org/engineering-topics/articles/robotics/smart-robots-for-picking-fruit
2016 - apples... still experimental
http://www.goodfruit.com/growers-get-peek-at-automatic-picking-machine-video/
DIY overlord
https://blog.adafruit.com/2017/02/21/tictactoe-robot/
The latest generation at Boston Dynamics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7xvqQeoA8c
>The latest generation at Boston Dynamics
we're fucked!
UN Report: Robots Will Replace Two-Thirds of All Workers in the Developing World [THEY ARE FUCKED]
https://futurism.com/un-report-robots-will-replace-two-thirds-of-all-workers-in-the-developing-world/
That BD robot is just incredible, I mean the way it can jump, wow.
Re the UN report: It is going to be an economic bomb, like the bubonic plage. In much of Western Europe the serfs who survived ended up with more freedom, but in the Slavic counties they basically became slaves.
Looks like Mashable sees the end result of this trend with BD's new metallic demon. I'm posting this just for their headline:
This parkour robot overlord has 'Terminator' written all over it
http://mashable.com/2017/02/28/boston-dynamics-reveal-highly-anticipated-agile-handle-robot/
https://i.imgur.com/dX4w7XN.gifv
The Pentagon is building a 'self-aware' killer robot army fueled by social media
Official US defence and NATO documents confirm that autonomous weapon systems will kill targets, including civilians, based on tweets, blogs and Instagram
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-pentagon-is-building-a-self-aware-killer-robot-army-fueled-by-social-media-bd1b55944298#.2j1gn55f4
>based on tweets, blogs and Instagram
Facebook, too, I hope. Sounds like a great way to cull the herd. Forum-dwellers will inherit the earth.
What could go wrong?
At least once they kill us all they'll tidy the bloodbath up after themselves...
https://vimeo.com/190027585
http://i.imgur.com/etyfb3z.gif
I wouldn't worry just yet
https://www.ghostrobotics.io/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnKOeMoibLg
it has begun...
A rogue robot is blamed for a human colleague's gruesome death https://qz.com/931304/a-robot-is-blamed-in-death-of-a-maintenance-technician-at-ventra-ionia-main-in-michigan/
QuoteOn March 7, her husband, William Holbrook, filed a wrongful death complaint (pdf) in Michigan federal court, naming five North American robotics companies involved in engineering and integrating the machines and parts used at the plant: Prodomax, Flex-N-Gate, FANUC, Nachi, and Lincoln Electric. Holbrook's job involved keeping robots in working order. She routinely inspected and adjusted processes on the assembly line at Ventra, which makes bumpers and trailer hitches. One day, Holbrook was performing her regular duties when a machine acted very irregularly, according to the lawsuit reported in Courthouse News. Holbrook was in the plant's six-cell "100 section" when a robot unexpectedly activated, taking her by surprise. The cells are separated by safety doors and the robot should not have been able to move. But it somehow reached Holbrook, and was intent on loading a trailer-hitch assembly part right where she stood over a similar part in another cell. The machine loaded the hardware onto Holbrook's head. She was unable to escape, and her skull was crushed. Co-workers who eventually noticed that something seemed amiss found Holbrook dead. William Holbrook seeks an unspecified amount of damages, arguing that before her gruesome death, his wife "suffered tremendous fright, shock and conscious pain and suffering." He also names three of the defendants -- FANUC, Nachi, and Lincoln Electric -- in two additional claims of product liability and breach of implied warranty. He argues that the robots, tools, controllers, and associated parts were not properly designed, manufactured or tested, and not fit for use.
Ok, stop the clock, we have our first high profile shooter bot...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EJn9UgADcPY&ebc=ANyPxKo_bACcIWWIdwNFtzpM8Z9SqKhFIYMDLdLwgTN5MiL0QmAf_XSHranAKiFIEm-nvK_RdC4hyB2NUTXEapQAigcJQmao0g
Will sex workers be able to compete with robots that don't feel degradation, tiredness, fear or sadness? (http://factor-tech.com/feature/will-sex-workers-be-able-to-compete-with-robots-that-dont-feel-degradation-tiredness-fear-or-sadness/)
QuoteDubai police added a robotic officer to its force, and plans to add more over the next few years. (Don't worry, it doesn't have a gun.)
...The city plans on recruiting a lot of the bots so they eventually make up 25 percent of the force by 2030.
The police department's one robot already patrolled the Gulf Information Security Expo and Conference in the United Arab Emirates this week. Next up is patrolling the massive Dubai Mall, which posted that the robot loves selfies and will be around all week.
The robot, first launched in 2011, is from Spanish company PAL Robotics. The robocop is a REEM, a full-sized humanoid robot that can speak and understand several languages.
http://mashable.com/2017/05/24/robocop-dubai-robot-police/
Oh shit, it has begun.
Making the rounds right now:
The Rise of the Machines – Why Automation is Different this Time (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSKi8HfcxEk&feature=youtu.be)
I liked that Vid, it ends on a half positive.... something like: "This could be a seminal moment for mankind"
Robot drones arrived with machine guns and grenade launchers anyone?
US firm reveals gun-toting drone that can fire in mid-air - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-40901393
Wait for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUyU3lKzoio Boston Dynamics
Have you seen the Black Mirror episode inspired by these things?
>Black Mirror
No, I don't watch any tv, netflix, etc. But I've sure seen a crapload of headlines comparing this to Black Mirror. (In fact, I eventually had to filter it out. Judging from the 'flow' volume, it must be a popular series. Not quite a Game of Thrones but getting stronger than Stranger Things.)
Its sort of a 21st century, SciFi version of the Twilight Zone.
I suppose everyone has seen this
There's more than one way to kill.
https://imgur.com/gUJxpmD
"I'm just an engineer" says engineer who designed AI to identify gang members to help police.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/02/artificial-intelligence-could-identify-gang-crimes-and-ignite-ethical-firestorm
https://twitter.com/hypervisible/status/970276540419395584
Quote from: rcjordan on February 25, 2018, 05:26:15 PM
I suppose everyone has seen this
There's more than one way to kill.
https://imgur.com/gUJxpmD
She's It's already on the hunt
(https://i.imgur.com/cSBROeH.gif)
Robots Are Trying To Pick Strawberries. So Far, They're Not Very Good At It (https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/03/20/592857197/robots-are-trying-to-pick-strawberries-so-far-theyre-not-very-good-at-it)
No sleep tonight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrF4tAzMthw
Be sure to watch the office navigation.
Quote from: rcjordan on May 11, 2018, 02:22:23 AM
No sleep tonight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrF4tAzMthw
Be sure to watch the office navigation.
RC that yellow one in the office is your new Robotic Puppy! Hhh
Boston Dynamics' SpotMini robot dog goes on sale in 2019 (https://www.cnet.com/news/boston-dynamics-spotmini-robot-dog-goes-on-sale-in-2019/)
Quote from: littleman on May 19, 2018, 09:01:52 PM
Boston Dynamics' SpotMini robot dog goes on sale in 2019 (https://www.cnet.com/news/boston-dynamics-spotmini-robot-dog-goes-on-sale-in-2019/)
Remember the first time someone died in a crash where a Tesla was on auto-pilot and it was covered like it was an imminent threat to all right-driving people? Just wait for this!
Boston Dynamics Shows Latest Advancements in Robotics at CEBIT 2018. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZgNPmeaTjo&feature=youtu.be)
I find that black one to be particularly creepy.
Good to see they put Atlas to work in the shipping department. He needed a job.
I think useful bot tools like this one will creep in and wreck things unintentionally while we're looking at the big legged ones of the (near) future.
https://gfycat.com/TiredFixedGardensnake
Humanoid construction robot installs drywall by itself
https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/01/aist-humanoid-robot-installs-drywall/
Autonomous AI security robot spotted patrolling Tokyo train station【Photos】
https://soranews24.com/2018/12/01/autonomous-ai-security-robot-spotted-patrolling-tokyo-train-station%E3%80%90photos%E3%80%91/
Read to the bottom. Bill has been neutralized.
Walmart will soon use hundreds of A.I. robot janitors to scrub the floors of US stores
Quote
The world's largest retailer by revenue will soon have autonomous robots scrubbing the floors of hundreds of Walmart stores across the U.S. Walmart will deploy 360 floor-scrubbing robots armed with computer vision and AI capabilities in hundreds of its stores by the end of January 2019, the company said this week in a joint press release with San Diego-based AI company Brain Corporation.
.......
Walmart has already deployed robots to take over other work usually performed by human employees, including using shelf-scanning robots in dozens of US stores to search for inventory and prices while also locating misplaced items.
Walmart is looking to rely more and more on automation in the future — an evolution that could free up current employees to perform more efficient, higher value tasks, but which some critics worry could also result in lower wages and fewer jobs at a company that is currently America's largest private employer with over 1.5 million paid workers.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/05/walmart-will-use-hundreds-of-ai-robot-janitors-to-scrub-store-floors.html
Rise of the Machines: Here's how much robots and A.I. progressed in 2018 | Digital Trends
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/biggest-ai-robot-advances-2018/
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Amazon and Walmart add more robots, but insist they won't terminate jobs
https://www.fastcompany.com/90279838/amazon-and-walmart-add-more-robots-but-insist-they-wont-terminate-jobs
>insist they won't terminate jobs
Like compound interest, attrition is a helluva force. And it lets company PR departments make technically true bullshit statements.
Robot delivery dogs deployed by self-driving cars are coming:
https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/07/robot-delivery-dogs-deployed-by-self-driving-cars-are-coming/?fbclid=IwAR1nIdY_dlrtL03isqMNj3oaOeLRJDdgwG_ssPZKaCfZYa2OZe6yfD0iBXA
Ground based delivery dogs make more sense than delivery drones.
Quote from: littleman on January 08, 2019, 09:25:41 PM
Ground based delivery dogs make more sense than delivery drones.
We have squirrels here. Just saying.
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Swiss Scientists Have Trained Their Dog-Like Robot to Better Fend Off Its Human Oppressors
https://gizmodo.com/swiss-scientists-have-trained-their-dog-like-robot-to-b-1831809007
Scroll down to the self-righting pix.
There is a bit of a lesson in the Boeing 737 MAX debacle. That plane has machine overrides flight controls of the pilot when ithe hidden autopilot concludes the plane is heading into a stall. It looks like they have been working with malfunctioning parts that are sending false data. This results in the pitch on the tail wing forcing the airplanes down and the yokes set up to resist human override by causing more resistance on pulling up than diving down.
So, humans died because Boeing had more faith in the AI of those systems than human judgment.
>Boeing had more faith in the AI of those systems than human judgment.
Perhaps the right idea, too soon.
>too soon.
The thing about AI is that as long as it is based on human design and decision logic it will still be as fallible as any other human endeavor.
https://campaignagainstsexrobots.org/
A great channel for the latest updates in neural nets/machine learning/deep learning : https://www.youtube.com/user/keeroyz
Ford's creepy new humanoid robot "Digit" delivers packages
https://www.fastcompany.com/90354898/yes-fords-new-deliverybot-is-creepy-but-maybe-thats-a-good-thing
UK: world's first raspberry-picking robot set to work
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/may/26/world-first-fruit-picking-robot-set-to-work-artificial-intelligence-farming
Quote from: rcjordan on May 27, 2019, 09:45:56 PM
UK: world's first raspberry-picking robot set to work
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/may/26/world-first-fruit-picking-robot-set-to-work-artificial-intelligence-farming
Goodbye hot Eastern European girls in their 20's bending over in the fields ;+}
I think of raspberries as one of the more fragile fruit, but also one of the more predictable (color as reliable indicator of ripeness, amount of tension required to pick one). Still... pretty incredible.
https://xkcd.com/652/
>>xkcd
This is my chief complaint about sci-fi movies. There is NO scenario in which "switching to manual" is going to save you in the robot apocalypse or while flying your faster-than-light rocket fighter.
I went through a period of reading a lot of old Asimov and Clarke and remember one book where, as they are preparing to jump to hyper-light speed, the navigator pulls out his ephemeris and slide rule to plot the course. FTL-drive was completely believable. A computer that would fit inside a spaceship and calculate trajectories was, of course, unimaginable. And these were books from the late 1950s and early 1960s when we were less than a decade from just such a computer.
PS - the hover text is usually a followup joke. This time, it isn't.
>>>xkcd
Getting serious about armed ground robots
https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/dsei/2019/09/13/getting-serious-about-armed-ground-robots/
Radio signals could be jammed, so eventually there will be a pushed towards autonomy. For now we have the increase risk of tyranny that killing without one's own forces being put in danger will provide. AI with bombs and bullet may be much worse.
I love coming to the The Core for my daily dose of sunshine and rainbows ;-)
Sorry Ergo. I think part of the problem is that we all could agree on what's bad, but what is good news is up to interpretation.
That's okay. I have my crystalologist and astrologer on staff to counterbalance this.
>>>xkcd >drones ...going for the jugular.
Saudi Arabia cuts oil output by 5 million barrels following drone attacks
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/14/business/saudi-oil-output-impacted-drone-attack/index.html
Aach! This might be the creepiest one yet.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/dvv58u/rescue_robot_snake_that_can_sift_through_rubble/
I had a terrible fear of snakes as a kid and am still not much of a fan. I am also mildly claustrophobic. So this is basically my nightmare scenario - trapped in a rubble heap unable to move and what comes to save me? A snake.
https://xkcd.com/2228/
Swarming drones play the James Bond theme. Genuinely terrifying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sUeGC-8dyk&feature=youtu.be
Not only is that really cool, that vid is almost 8 years old.
>almost 8 years old
Fast-forward:
Turkey's Killer Drone Swarm Poses Syria Air Challenge to Putin
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-01/turkey-s-killer-drone-swarm-poses-syria-air-challenge-to-putin
If fighter jets had stock-market style pricing, I wonder what the value of a $152,000,000 F-22 Raptor just fell to.
Elon Musk tells a room full of Air Force pilots: 'The fighter jet era has passed'
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/elon-musk-says-the-fighter-jet-era-has-passed.html
Quote from: Travoli on March 02, 2020, 04:30:07 AM
Elon Musk tells a room full of Air Force pilots: 'The fighter jet era has passed'
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/elon-musk-says-the-fighter-jet-era-has-passed.html
I've been wondering when somebody would mention this. We keep building supercarriers for the USN, but we should also be designing smaller carriers for drones.
Manned aircraft aren't dead yet tho, sooner or later somebody will come up with electronic counter measures ECM to jam drones.
Surface ships are also doomed until lasers catch up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtXx3Qubmys&feature=youtu.be&t=117
>sooner or later somebody will come up with electronic counter measures ECM to jam drones.
And that's when AI kicks in with the potential for out terminator scenario.
There is also this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M730_Burevestnik
Apparently the US was working on this technology in the 1960s but abandon it because it had too high a risk of radiation fallout. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZHONQAMV48)
Surface ships are also doomed. Period. FTFY
Airburst EMP.
Quote from: gm66 on March 03, 2020, 10:32:08 AM
Airburst EMP.
Ha! So the plot twist that always drives me insane in sci-fi is when they "switch to manual." My logic being that any culture that can flit between the stars will have such advanced AI that the very next thing that happens to a ship after it switches to manual is that it will explode.
But if you launch a huge airburst EMP, that will fry all the electronics in a certain radius, yours and theirs. So the drones are dead, but now you have to actually switch to manual and the plucky band of humans led by an aging Bruce Willis wins again.
An aging Bruce Willis plus his plucky young co-star who will eventually replace him.
Minimum-Wage Blowback - Fast Food Burger-Flipping Robot Works For $3 An Hour
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/fast-food-robot-works-3-hour
Quote from: Mackin USA on March 06, 2020, 12:22:09 PM
Minimum-Wage Blowback
Well, at $3/hour, there is no minimum wage that is going to keep that robot from coming.
There are some good minimum wage studies from places where they have raised the minimum wage and you can make direct comparisons across city and state lines. Generally speaking, raising the minimum wage has generally not cost jobs. Some research shows that it does.
So at one end is the CBO study that says that raising the minimum wage to $15 across the US would result in 1.3 million jobs lost AND 1.3 million people raised out of poverty. I'll leave it to you to decide whether or not that's a good thing, but I feel that people who work full-time should not be living in poverty, especially not given the gains that have gone to the top 10% over the last 40 years.
Other research shows much smaller job loss and if you look at what has actually happened, results have been mixed. Unemployment in NY rose slightly while in SFO it did not. Some research has adjusted these numbers for what happened in neighboring cities and states to isolate the effects of raising the minimum wage and has shown that job loss from raising the minimum wage is less than predicted in simple models, because low-income people spend their money locally, whereas when the gains go to high-income people, as they have since the 1970s, they put that money into investments and such that do not benefit the local economy.
https://psmag.com/news/what-the-research-says-about-a-15-minimum-wage
https://www.epi.org/publication/minimum-wage-testimony-feb-2019/
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/15-minimum-wage-reduces-poverty-doesnt-cut-jobs-berkeley-study-says-2019-07-08
There may or may not be some job loss due to raising the wages of the lowest-paid workers, but what's the point of full-time jobs that pay for nothing except living at home with your parents on their health insurance and eating their food?
Over half of fast food workers are over 21. Many live in poverty.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fast-food-jobs-real_n_6028404
Minimum wage kept pace with productivity from 1945 to 1970, at which point they became decoupled and productivity gains accrued to the wealthy rather than to everyone. If minimum wage had remained coupled to productivity gains, it would now be over $20 per hour. If it had merely tracked with inflation, it would be $11.58.
I worked plenty of minimum wage jobs early on, but it was a different world. Much minimum-wage work is now better done by a robot. With the rise of Just In Time Scheduling and intense surveillance, most minimum-wage jobs are far, far worse than the ones that I had 30 or 40 years ago.
Compared to a minimum-wage worker of today, I not only had 38% higher pay, I also had a more steady schedule, more hours per week, the ability to do multiple things (school and work or multiple jobs) because of the steadier scheduling.
Honestly, I say that if the best we can do for people are jobs that have erratic schedules where people are essentially on-call every day so they can't combine multiple jobs, get short shifts, are scheduled to stay below 29 hours per week to keep them from qualifying for benefits, are paid $7.25/hour, we are better off as a society if those jobs just go away and we find other ways to help those people live.
As it is now, our entire welfare system - food stamps, Medicaid, etc - is basically one big subsidy to the fast food industry.
This is where UBI comes into play. If minimum wage stays where it is, but then gets augmented by UBI we get the benefit of boosted wages without the downward pressure on employment.
> $3/hour
These are just "early adopter" rates and will come down quickly.
Quote from: Travoli on March 06, 2020, 06:44:31 PM
These are just "early adopter" rates and will come down quickly.
Exactly. In the long run, there's no wage that will compete with that. Complaining, unreliable humans willing to work for free will not compete against a good robot. There is no wage that can bring the elevator operator back.
>>This is where UBI comes into play.
Go Yang!
I have mixed feelings though. Do we want to be in a society where some people are paid so little for socially useful full-time work (I consider serving food socially useful) that they can only survive if they get a UBI. Nick Hanauer, who was a major force behind the Seattle $15/hr min wage and is not convinced about UBI always says, "We know how to increase the income of people at the bottom. Pay people more." One of the things that struck me in Switzerland was how much more people made at the bottom and all the follow-on effects of that on Swiss society.
On the other hand, I heard something in the context of a discussion about combating climate change. One person was saying, "There's no reason we can't do this. We have all the technology we need to solve the climate change problem."
The other person said, "We have the technology to solve poverty too. It's called money. We have the technology to solve hunger. It's called food. But we haven't solved those problems yet either."
I can't get that retort out of my head.
On the
Robot patrolling Singapore park reminding people to obey keep social distance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viuR7N6E2LA
CAPTCHA updated for the robot apocalypse
https://xkcd.com/2228/
Chinese state news agency unveils 'the world's first 3D AI anchor' after 'cloning' a human reporter
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8343441/Chinese-state-news-agency-unveils-worlds-3D-AI-anchor.html
They're not clever though are they? Okay we have what used to be Boston Dynamics, but autonomy is missing. All this fear of AI, even the most advanced stuff, like AlphaGO, is just advanced pattern-matching. Even the algos in modern rendering pipelines, it's amazing what they can do, but there's no sentience, there's no hope for a general-purpose AI for decades i think, one of the main bottlenecks being power-efficient actuators, let alone intelligience.
I thought I posted this, but it's a good perspective that isn't heard often enough
HOW HARD WILL THE ROBOTS MAKE US WORK?
https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/27/21155254/automation-robots-unemployment-jobs-vs-human-google-amazon
TL;DR. The problem isn't that robots will eliminate the low-level jobs, it's that they will inhabit the low-level management jobs and make life miserable for everyone on down the pike
Doesn't get much more "Terminator Scenario" than this:
"The thought of living tissue and machinery meshed together brings up images of grotesque cyborgs and far-future sci-fi films, but at the Army Research Laboratory a robot with living, organic muscles may not be that far off.
ARL's Combat Capabilities Development Command is teaming up with universities in North Carolina to develop studies in bio-hybrid robotics.
The idea is just as fantastical as you may be imagining. ARL wants to fuse living tissue with cold metal to build robots that may be able to gain the agility and versatility of living creatures."
https://federalnewsnetwork.com/defense-main/2021/01/army-is-working-on-frankenbots-with-living-tissue-to-better-robot-capabilities/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/nyregion/nypd-robot-dog-backlash.html
The Police Department will return the device earlier than planned after critics seized on it as a dystopian example of overly aggressive policing.
>dystopian example of overly aggressive policing.
They should've made it cute.
An Autonomous Weaponized Drone "Hunted Down" Humans Without Command For First Time
https://www.iflscience.com/technology/an-autonomous-weaponized-drone-hunted-down-humans-without-command-for-first-time/amp.html
Wow, ish just got real. Well, it got real over a year ago, actually. This was March of last year.
I can't imagine those things being very good at distinguishing between combatants and non-combatants.
Well, neither is napalm or nuclear weapons.
Exhibit A: Dresden and Tokyo
Exhibit B: Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Right. Thankfully those weapons aren't used against urban guerrilla fighters often.
Here's the consumer version. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOYxlj5iuvo), minus the explosion bits.
And now super weapons have come to Nerf wars
AUTO-AIMING NERF GUN TO GIVE YOU THE EDGE IN BATTLE
https://hackaday.com/2021/06/03/auto-aiming-nerf-gun-to-give-you-the-edge-in-battle/
Camera + Raspberry Pi lets it achieve target lock on a moving target
>auto-aiming
These surface on the innertubes every few years and make my wallet tingle. I posted this one before
Real-Life Sentry Guns for Sale
https://www.realsentrygun.com/
A couple of those would keep the deer away from my dogwoods and evening primroses.
Human passersby, neighbors and guests would probably be less enthused.
A bit more on the killing drones
https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/3/22462840/killer-robot-autonomous-drone-attack-libya-un-report-context
I like the "loitering munitions". As a name, not an idea. sounds horrific.
Algorithm beats human pilots in drone race for the 1st time
https://www.futurity.org/algorithm-drones-human-pilots-2600652/
The robot apocalypse is already here, it just looks different than you thought.https://www.vox.com/the-goods/22557895/automation-robots-work-amazon-uber-lyft
QuoteBut we often spend so much time talking about the potential for robots to take our jobs that we fail to look at how they are already changing them — sometimes for the better, but sometimes not. New technologies can give corporations tools for monitoring, managing, and motivating their workforces, sometimes in ways that are harmful.
I've been hollerin' this for a long time. 'Robot creep' has been eroding jobs since at least the 60s. I keep using toll booth operators as the example. (Currently, in Florida, the turnpike exits have zero humans. Transponders [digital, eliminating even more humans in the accounting dept.] or exact change in a hopper.)
Debbie says: Past and present computerization & robotics have already decimated jobs.
http://th3core.com/talk/water-coolerextra/debbie-says-past-and-present-computerization-robotics-have-already-decimated/msg60739/#msg60739
It's not so much that they are eliminating jobs, it's that they are making the jobs that still exist so much worse because the robot surveillance boss never takes a break, so neither can you.
Pentagon believes its precognitive AI can predict events 'days in advance'
https://www.engadget.com/pentagon-ai-predicts-days-in-advance-135509604.html
The future of sports? There's a robot sinking basketballs at the Tokyo Olympics.
https://mashable.com/article/tokyo-olympics-basketball-robot
"It could be that the dreaded robot apocalypse has been jump-started due to the COVID-19 pandemic."
https://venturebeat.com/2021/07/25/with-post-pandemic-ai-weve-now-stepped-into-the-age-of-acceleration/
Meet Grace, the ultra-lifelike nurse robot - CNN
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/19/asia/grace-hanson-robotics-android-nurse-hnk-spc-intl/index.html
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Tesla is actually going to make a 'Tesla Bot' humanoid robot for general purpose use - Electrek
https://electrek.co/2021/08/19/tesla-bot-humanoid-robot/
>>sentry guns
The Scientist and the A.I.-Assisted, Remote-Control Killing MachineIsraeli agents had wanted to kill Iran's top nuclear scientist for years. Then they came up with a way to do it with no operatives present.
QuoteA killer robot profoundly changes the calculus for the Mossad.
The organization has a longstanding rule that if there is no rescue, there is no operation, meaning a foolproof plan to get the operatives out safely is essential. Having no agents in the field tips the equation in favor of the operation.
But a massive, untested, computerized machine gun presents a string of other problems.
The first is how to get the weapon in place.
Israel chose a special model of a Belgian-made FN MAG machine gun attached to an advanced robotic apparatus, according to an intelligence official familiar with the plot. The official said the system was not unlike the off-the-rack Sentinel 20 manufactured by the Spanish defense contractor Escribano.
But the machine gun, the robot, its components and accessories together weigh about a ton. So the equipment was broken down into its smallest possible parts and smuggled into the country piece by piece, in various ways, routes and times, then secretly reassembled in Iran.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/world/middleeast/iran-nuclear-fakhrizadeh-assassination-israel.html
I saw my first working inventory robot in the wild yesterday at a big box store. It looked like a giant tongue depressor or a surf board set on end. The edges had sensors for counting inventory on shelves.
Which is all fine and dandy, except what the store really needed was more checkout cashiers since I was standing in the worlds longest line.
US Army readies request for prototype designs of optionally manned fighting vehicle
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2022/04/01/us-army-readies-request-for-prototype-designs-of-optionally-manned-fighting-vehicle/
The case for Terminator analogies
Skynet (not the killer androids) is a decent introduction to the AI risk problem
https://www.slowboring.com/p/the-case-for-terminator-analogies
SFPD authorized to kill suspects using robots in draft policy (https://missionlocal.org/2022/11/killer-robots-to-be-permitted-under-sfpd-draft-policy/)
Quote"We are living in a dystopian future, where we debate whether the police may use robots to execute citizens without a trial, jury, or judge," said Tifanei Moyer, senior staff attorney at the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights of the San Francisco Bay Area. Moyer leads the organization's work on police misconduct and militarization.
>>SFPD
Okay... I'm a long-time member of the ACLU, the SPLC and in general a strong advocate for constitutional rights and civil liberties (I've tipped my hand haven't I?)
Still, I think the use of the word "robot" leads to a lot of confusion. There is a huge difference between a remote-controlled device that is being operated by a human operator and an autonomous devices that is being operated without human oversight. This is a case of the former, right, rather than an actual Terminator scenario?
It makes me think of how in the Middle Ages there was a lot of consternation about the introduction of the crossbow, because it allowed an unskilled, not very highly trained person to kill at a distance. The impetus for moral consternation was that the status of knights, a professional soldier class, rested entirely on their prowess in combat and so it was deemed less than honorable to kill someone from a distance.
There was a similar gnashing of teeth regarding firearms, then aerial bombing, then cruise missiles, then drones. Every time we add distance to killing, we have this debate.
There are definitely philosophical issues there. But is it really different to have a sniper kill someone from long range than to have a remote control machine operator move a machine into position and kill someone from what is effectively still long range for the operator, but short range for the weapon? Does an RC operator with multiple video cams have a worse grasp of the scenario than a sniper looking through a scope from 300m? Maybe, but again, in both cases the ability to understand the situation should be the important factor, not the equipment in play.
It seems to me that once you've accepted the sniper in principle, you've accepted the "robot" in principle. The only real difference is that it is not enough for the target to stay safe by avoiding windows. The real question is whether you accept the use of lethal force by one human against another in a given situation.
Now if it was an autonomous machine that simply was trained to recognize the target and kill ASAP, that would be a major change from the crossbow scenario. For example, police in Colorado tackled and cuffed the hero who charged and bludgeoned the gunman because, by the time the police arrived, the hero (is there another word?) was covered in blood and in possession of the gun. That could have gone very badly with an autonomous assassin vehicle
I agree with you that there is a difference between this and an autonomous robot. I could actually see instances where the robot can potentially lower fatalities because the operator is not in immediate danger, unlike a human confronting a gunman in person.
Two ways I can see this being concerning though are:
1 It makes lethal decision making more remote, makes it less personal in a law enforcement situation (which I would say is fundamentally different than military).
2 It paves the way for future potentially lethal machine interaction. There may be a time in the future when these devices have their own algorithms governing them as people grow use to machines acting in law enforcement. What happens when the next generation of AI governed military surplus works it's way into law enforcement, will people even notice?
It is definitely true that increasing distance makes killing easier and I didn't mean to diminish that.
I am trying to think through how "remoteness" fits into everything.
I'm more troubled with, say, "extra judicial killing" by drone strike. That's a person that would definitely not get killed and the killer (POTUS) commits the act with pen and paper in the comfort of his office. To me that is where things tip into the very scary. Why? I'm not sure I can fully explain, but I think it's the combination of physical and emotional distance.
And yet you can always justify it - this suspected terrorist was planning to kill 100 people. That calculus really worries me. But as a thought experiment, though, what if I had near-certain knowledge that a person infiltrated a missile base and was preparing to launch a dozen ICBMs? I find my squeamishness much diminished and, to be frank, am troubled by my own moral relativism.
It reminds me of an old All in the Family episode where Archie hears about a bank robbery and proposes a solution:
Archie: "Just put two sharpshooters up there on the mezzadrine (sic) and take the guy out."
Meathhead: "Arch, what happens when one of them misses and kills the little old lady in line behind the robber."
Archie: "That's okay. The other guy won't miss."
Anyway, I find a lot of these incremental changes hard to process and am unsure how to think about them. I guess the question is at what point of sliding down the slippery slope do you realize too late that you are now going much too fast to stop before the abyss? I don't feel like I have good answers just deep uneasiness.
After raucous meeting, San Francisco approves plan for lethal police robots
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/San-Francisco-approves-lethal-robots-17619556.php
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FNuoAq_rxtU
Semi? Autonomous robots with missles & guns.
The US Air Force Is Moving Fast on AI-Piloted Fighter Jets | WIRED
https://www.wired.com/story/us-air-force-skyborg-vista-ai-fighter-jets/
Apple picking drones (https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/1736sva/robotic_apple_harvester/)
New Atlas from Boston Dynamics (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29ECwExc-_M)
>New Atlas
Damn. You definitely put that one in the most appropriate thread.
>New Atlas
Why did it have to stand up like that?!?!?!
>Why
To scare us.
To scare us.
Right, fear => buzz. Boston Dynamics has been able to stay in the spotlight for 10+ years now in a competitive space.
>scare us
Boston Dynamics' new electric Atlas robot is swiveling nightmare fuel - The Verge
https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/17/24133145/boston-dynamics-resurrects-atlas-humanoid-robot-electric-new
Alright, 2 threads with one stone. RC, here's your new robot dog, only $9400:
https://throwflame.com/products/thermonator-robodog/
Free shipping!!
Group buy?
A flamethrowing puppy is really hard to resist! ...But maybe I'd need to upgrade my liability insurance by $100 million or so.
BTW, there's a new paintball-shooting security camera on the market. Maybe get both?
My money's on the flamethrowing one modded with an ar 15 and a big can. lol
>Group buy?
in
https://newatlas.com/military/darpa-manta-ray-robotic-sub/
DARPA's massive Manta Ray robotic sub hits the sea
LEAKED MEMO CLAIMS NEW YORK TIMES FIRED ARTISTS TO REPLACE THEM WITH AI (https://futurism.com/the-byte/new-york-times-fires-artists-ai-memo)
Faces made of living skin make robots smile
(Nightmare fuel)
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cedd3208veyo
This thread was started on 02-11-2010. Much of it has come to pass. So, SkyNet in 2040?
Seems reasonably plausible to me from where we're at now.
DHS Has a DDoS Robot to Disable Internet of Things 'Booby Traps' Inside Homes
https://www.404media.co/dhs-has-a-ddos-robot-to-disable-internet-of-things-booby-traps-inside-homes/
The dishwasher is down. Repeat, the dishwasher is down. GoGoGo!...
>Faces made of living skin make robots smile
(Nightmare fuel)
Why is it that robots that are made to look real are more spooky than robots that look like robots? Seriously, the humanoid ones with faces absolutely terrify me. And I can't explain why because I know it's not real. But the lizard part of my brain is not convinced.
I am sure you are familiar with the term uncanny valley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley). Though in the example above I think what I found so disturbing was how un-human they looked while having human like skin. I think it may be similar to how some people are afraid of clowns -- they have human like features but are not human (clowns are obviously human under the makeup, but the illusion is there).
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/09/19/ukraines-gun-armed-ground-robot-just-cleared-a-russian-trench-in-kursk/
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/10/01/army-has-sent-armed-robot-dog-middle-east-testing.html
Army Testing Robot Dogs Armed with Artificial Intelligence-Enabled Rifles in Middle East | Military.com
wow (https://i.redd.it/du64hhvuj35e1.png)
Is that for real?
LM you are very reliable with your sources, but thats and image of a reddit....
I would hate that to be true...
>for real
The Armed AI Robot Dog?? Appears legit.
https://www.dvidshub.net/image/8663734/centcom-and-saudi-arabian-armed-forces-conduct-third-iteration-red-sands-counter-s-uas-exercise
DVIDS - Images - CENTCOM and Saudi Arabian Armed Forces Conduct Third Iteration of Red Sands Counter-s UAS Exercise [Image 4 of 7]
More info:
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2024/10/pics-us-army-tests-robot-dogs-with-artificial-intelligence-rifles/
RC, Click through on LMs link.... I meant that.
I think it's better to read Shakeel's post on his blog. Sorry, but this is the who-shot-John version, not the version with just bullets.
https://www.transformernews.ai/p/openais-new-model-tried-to-avoid
And this article covers it.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/chatgpt-o1-openai-prevents-own-deletion-tmvgbb7ls
That's why I like to know who shot John
>Is that for real?
Attached is the pdf.
HAL 2001
Tesla robot catches balls.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/motorsports/tesla-optimus-bot-catching-a-tennis-ball/vi-AA1v9goI?
Next step: catching John Connor's hand grenades and throwing them back
Robot Janitor (https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/1r28sdd/you_eventually_start_to_realize_no_job_is_safe/)
We're watching the beginning of the end of skillless entry level jobs.
Based on a 2026 analysis from Microsoft Research, roles with high language-heavy, information-based, or administrative tasks are most exposed to AI, including interpreters, historians, writers, customer service agents, and analysts. These jobs show high "AI applicability" for tasks like summarizing and drafting, but exposure does not equate to total replacement, as AI often augments, rather than eliminates, these roles.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-the-jobs-most-exposed-to-generative-ai-according-to-microsoft/
Top 40 Jobs Most Exposed to AI (Microsoft Research)
According to reports highlighting the 40 most exposed occupations:
Interpreters and Translators
Historians
Passenger Attendants
Sales Representatives of Services
Writers and Authors
Customer Service Representatives
CNC Tool Programmers
Telephone Operators
Ticket Agents and Travel Clerks
Broadcast Announcers and Radio DJs
Brokerage Clerks
Farm and Home Management Educators
Telemarketers
Concierges
Political Scientists
News Analysts, Reporters, Journalists
Mathematicians
Technical Writers
Proofreaders and Copy Markers
Hosts and Hostesses
Editors
Business Teachers, Postsecondary
Public Relations Specialists
Demonstrators and Product Promoters
Advertising Sales Agents
New Accounts Clerks
Statistical Assistants
Counter and Rental Clerks
Data Scientists
Personal Financial Advisors
Archivists
Economics Teachers, Postsecondary
Web Developers
Management Analysts
Geographers
Models
Market Research Analysts
Public Safety Telecommunicators
Switchboard Operators
Library Science Teachers, Postsecondary
Key Takeaways on AI Impact
Exposure, Not Elimination: The study indicates that AI is highly capable of completing tasks within these roles, but does not suggest total job destruction.
Key Functions Affected: Jobs requiring gathering, summarizing, and drafting information are most impacted.
Lowest Affected: Occupations least likely to be affected include manual labor roles like dredge operators, bridge/lock tenders, and crane/tower operators.
> Historians
I'm not sure they know what a historian actually does. The real work of being a historian is going into archives and looking at mountains of documents, in my period with atrocious handwriting, and deciding what to tease out of that.
The vast majority of these documents are not available in any digital form, so they are "opaque" to AI.
World's first humanoid robot soldiers arrive on Ukraine front line
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/world-s-first-humanoid-robot-soldiers-arrive-on-ukraine-front-line/ar-AA1YJkdE
QuoteAccording to Time, the Phantom MK-1 has been equipped with a pistol, a shotgun and an M16 assault rifle.
This thread is 16 years old. Here we are, terminators on the battlefield. Went faster than I thought.
Don't worry. According to the Secretary of Defense, we have laws controlling all of this. We do not need any limits on the technology. We're safe.
Networked for War: Lessons from Ukraine's Ground Robots
https://mwi.westpoint.edu/networked-for-war-lessons-from-ukraines-ground-robots/
Ukraine Becomes World Leader in Unmanned Ground Vehicles
https://jamestown.org/ukraine-becomes-world-leader-in-unmanned-ground-vehicles/
QuoteUGVs now perform surveillance, logistics, fire support, and self-detonating attacks in lethal frontline "kill zones," reducing Ukrainian casualties and reshaping tactics through coordinated, multi-domain robotic warfare.