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Title: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: dogboy on January 01, 2011, 06:18:08 PM
I have a blue belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, under Pablo Popovitch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pablo_Popovitch) and he is expanding their curriculum to include MMA.  It's going to be geared more to the civilian, than to the true fighter, but it's meant to build on our jiu-jitsu.  

Anyone else training for anything in 2011?

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Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: mick g on January 01, 2011, 11:16:44 PM
>>>Anyone else training for anything in 2011

yeah.....can i take someone out with one swing of my baseball bat rather than 2
Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: dogboy on January 02, 2011, 01:54:31 AM
>my baseball bat
nah, we have guns in America for defense. I'm pushing 40, this is just something to stay in shape and learn something new. 

Plus it's actually quite satisfying to choke a MF out:)
Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: ergophobe on January 02, 2011, 02:22:15 AM
Wife wants to ski Mount Shasta this year. I've done it before and could probably do it without training, but we're trying to get out skiing a bunch so she can do it without wishing she would die.

It's not particularly technical skiing, it's the skiing up 7,000 vertical feet and then having the legs to enjoy the ski back down that's the killer.
Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: dogboy on January 02, 2011, 03:04:34 AM
>it's the skiing up

Telemark, with skins; very cool:)  hehehehe if you don't need to train for that, you are in damn good shape:)
Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: littleman on January 02, 2011, 09:19:06 AM
>I'm pushing 40

Yeah, me too.  I'm just continuing with my weight training while working on slimming down.  I'm at 207 now from 272 at my high.  I don't know about your body at 39, but I'm finding that I need to respect my body a lot more than I use to to prevent injuries.  I have to warm up more, do lighter weight with more reps to take it easy on the joints, that kind of thing.  I don't think my joints would respond well to getting yanked on and put into locks,
Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: nffc on January 02, 2011, 10:29:46 AM
Still boxing, coming up to 2 years now training with a coach. Very soon I think I may be a danger to someone other than myself. Gym 3 x a week too but that's only so I can hit people for harder and longer.

Going skiing for the first time next month, I think that may become my new obsession.
Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: mick g on January 02, 2011, 10:41:15 AM
don't need to train really...

this was a kids party yesterday with the men playing musical chairs, the guy on the floor had 22 kick boxing fights is twice the size of me and is fucking rock hard but the champ who is 12 years older than him is throwing him around like i was mopping the floor :)

http://www.facebook.com/#!/video/video.php?v=10150347077800247

men play to win :)
Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: Rumbas on January 02, 2011, 03:02:16 PM
>having the legs to enjoy the ski back down

Spot on. I've been skiing a lot as a kid/teenager and went again last year after not doing it for 10 years.

Good form, good speed, but not the shape to keep up. Man did I get a surprise and realised it soo much more fun when you have the stamina.

>I think that may become my new obsession

It's awesome and the best form of exercise imo - too bad we dont have any mountains here..
Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: Drastic on January 02, 2011, 06:30:24 PM
Weight loss and fitness here, since August.  My high this summer was 239.9, I guess I should just call it 240 eh.

Down to 213.X so far, my goal for holidays was 210, and I tend to set barely realistic goals so I'm  happy.

Total goal is 200 (target optimum healthy weight per my doc), and I know the last 5 will take the longest. I plan to hit that by the end of summer, hopefully on the front end.

Aside from age, if I'm not already my best overall shape ever, I'm close.
Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: grnidone on January 02, 2011, 09:39:25 PM
I'd like to finish and do well at a half marathon this year and complete a couple of tris...I've been out of training for so long it actually hurts when I get on the bike...

And I've got to be in shape for my Bond girl photo shoot at the end of the year.  I've always wanted to be a Bond girl, and I figure my 40th birthday is the time to do it.
Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: littleman on January 03, 2011, 12:35:59 AM
Mick, for me its not a question of being tough, I mean, I think I'm past that stage in my life where I have to size myself up against a group of guys and think about who I could take and who I'd have to worry about. 

Getting in shape for me is more about battling against life.  Basically I want to max out the productive years, stay healthy so I could be a good provider for my family and enjoy myself after my kids are grown.  Also, everything feels much better now that I'm nearly 5 stones lighter. 

Drastic, good job, keep at it.  What are you doing/eating to get there?
Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: grnidone on January 03, 2011, 02:11:00 AM
@Jason:  Thank you.

Drastic, is 200 pounds a healthy weight?  As tall as you are, I'd think you'd be a stick at that weight...as in...on the "too thin" side.
Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: dogboy on January 03, 2011, 03:55:33 AM
>207 now from 272
damn! you're trim, now.

>half marathon
didn't you have shin splints a while ago?

>Going skiing
I love them both but if I had it all over to do, I'd just snowboard instead.



Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: littleman on January 03, 2011, 04:43:47 AM
>trim

No, you're trim.  I'm still getting there, but its new territory for me.  I think the last time I weighed this low I was 19.
Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: mick g on January 03, 2011, 05:37:22 PM
littleman....its was meant as a joke

it was a kids new years day party with everyone playing party games  ::)
Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: dogboy on January 03, 2011, 06:27:25 PM
Well, it's Monday and I'm still debating the MMA class.  Like LM was saying, I'm getting too old for this shit:) I don't think I can train jiu-jitsu 3-4X a week, and do that 2X a week... something has to give. We'll see tonight.

The other thing I'm struggling with is I have no future in MMA.  But maybe jiu-jitsu.  They have an old men's Blue Belt division in the Worlds in L.A. next Winter I was thinking about doing, if I can stay healthy.  I'll admit I wouldnt mind taking one more shot at something physical before I start using a cane too.  The dogs left me very strong and ADHD works miracles on body fat, so for my weight, I am more than a handful, even though I haven't 'worked out' since I was in college.  (There is just nothing harder than being a dog musher. Whatever you think is hard, do it wearing full gear in snow up to your knees.)

This is my most recent 'Bond' picture I took at just under 140lbs, literally at 'fighting weight'.  I took it for the same reason Heather said it... because someday, when I'm damn near dead, with an oxygen mask around my head, somebody will say, that was YOU?  I'll look back and smile because I have photo albums of proof I was one of the baddest MFers to have ever lived:)

I say I have one more shot at a World title in me.  And I think I want it in jiu-jitsu:)

Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: littleman on January 03, 2011, 07:05:03 PM
QuoteADHD works miracles on body fat

That's hilarious.
Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: agerhart on January 03, 2011, 07:18:38 PM
QuoteADHD works miracles on body fat

You wouldn't think so if you looked at one of my workers that has ADHD.  Typical out of shape-beer belly-skinny armed-flabby 30 year old dude.
Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: dogboy on January 03, 2011, 10:26:41 PM
...well, maybe it's more dog mushing than the HA:)

But I've been doing this enough that I should put it to use.  I should take a crack at a belt.  I took off a 6 months when I moved to Cali, then another 5 months recovering from my motorcycle wreck... but I still have a few lives left, apparently, so it's time to do something with them.  At some level I still feel its stupid to train, if you never compete, even though jiu-jitsu is a lifestyle not a destination.

But that clock is ticking.  I got 5(?) years left of being competitive at something. I remember posting about this in 2007, in our old forum.  'I'm done competing', I said.  'Just to stay in shape', I said.  'Average among fighters', I said. I guess we'll see:)  Maybe I'll shoot for some submission tournament in the Spring and see how I'm doing, regionally.  FL is pretty damn tough, lots of badass Brazilians here.

ok, off to class...

Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: ergophobe on January 04, 2011, 12:06:36 AM
>>hehehehe if you don't need to train for that, you are in damn good shape:)

Uh... based on your picture, not remotley as ripped as you are. But I can deadlift 2x bodyweight and keep putting one foot in front of the other for a long time. For my 40th birthday, I hiked 55 miles with 17,000 feet of gain and 16,000 feet of loss (and raised over a $1000 for a locally-focussed non-profit - they said it was more money than they made off their black tie dinner and probably their single biggest fundraiser ever - I didn't even tell them I was doing it until after the fact)

I couldn't go 55 miles today, but I think I can handle Shasta

>>Telemark, with skins; very cool:) 

Alpine Touring, actually. That's a long conversation, but it's a better tool for most jobs except making actual telemark turns.

>>snowboard

I had this dream of surfing big mountains and took up snowboarding. Fun, but I never got that good at it since as a tool for backcountry travel, skis just are way better. My friend Christian Santelices was in a couple of Warren Miller films as a snowboarder, but when he wanted to do a lot of winter guiding, as he says, his wife handed him some skis and said "Dude, you need to learn how to ski".  I remember towing a snowboarder friend for 2 miles once down a long slight downhill - not steep enough to really ski, but  between poling and skating, I could effortlessly descend, but he would have been stuck walking.

So for me, snowboard and telemark (and skate skis - probably my favorite form of skiing these days) are resort equipment. For the backcountry, I'll take Alpine Touring (though recent advances in tele bindings make that choice a lot less obvious now).
Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: dogboy on January 04, 2011, 02:51:33 PM
FYI I ended up taking part of the MMA anyway, because there were an odd number of students and someone always needed a partner, and I had already warmed up a bit, so I jumped in. It was tough aerobically, etc., then we went into this jab/perry drill that turned into a jab/perry and knee to the ribs drill.

But I think I'm just into sport jiu-jitsu and just want to continue to concentrate on that this year, while I have a chance to learn under these guys.   I'm going to train like I'm going to compete and see what tournaments fall into place. Last time I kept getting hurt before the matches but I'd like to think that is just dumb luck.

But fighting with the little gloves are for younger, angrier people, with something to prove:) Maybe I'll do a little more just for fun but I don't see a reason to take it too seriously.  Jiu-jitsu I can do into old age. 


>Alpine Touring
gotcha. I used to live on the backside of Mt. Timpanogos/Wasatch Range in UT and backcountry skiing was the bomb right out of my back door.  Embarrassingly enough I went boarding only once out there, but I was there to sled, and that is kinda like water skiing on the snow, rather than downhill, but it scratches the same itch.


>your picture
well, looks can be deceiving, especially in competition.  Same with dogs, same with people.  My Achilles heel is my asthma.  It can be severe.  I spent a lot of my childhood in hospitals because of it. Months, actually.  At 18 I ruptured my own lung and the air seeped out into my chest and I came close to collapsing it, all by myself.  I never really saw it as a disadvantage, nor anything thing to stop me from doing anything.  Hell, I'm even allergic to dogs. I'm not supposed to do high exertion in the cold.  Whatever.  I find work arounds.  I become very efficient.  I manage.  If it was easy, I wouldn't want to do it:)

I like that picture because I know I never lifted weights in a mirror at a gym to look like that.  I just worked my ass off for 20 years and took off my shirt and that's what my body looked like. My satisfaction was in a stack of firewood, or 2500lbs of dog food loaded in a freezer. Form just followed function. That's why the transition over to jiu-jitsu was a good one for me.  Most guys start from ground zero and have to get physically in shape, in addition to learning skills.  I just need to learn the skills and focus on breathing.


>surfing big mountains
That is it right there.  That is the essence of boarding.  And it's very different than downhill skiing, and just one tiny component of backcountry.  But that feeling of leaning over your board, nothing in your hands, just carving up fresh powder... man, that is a wonderful feeling.  Its almost like my motorcycle in that you feel like superman covering ground. 

I don't know... what you are talking about is bigger, more comprehensive... but boarding has that surfing feeling that is more like a dream than mechanical. A slice of life.


Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: ergophobe on January 04, 2011, 10:58:22 PM
So was it fun? Good people, or nutters?

>>very different than downhill skiing

Yeah, I can see that. Might be a boarder if I were starting now. I just don't have the confidence on a board that I do on skis. I can get down black diamonds, even board the bumps a little if the snow is soft, but I've been skiing since I was 2.5, my dad was a ski coach, my mom both an alpine and XC instructor and competed in XC until her 60s. My comfort level on skis is just so high. So I board when I want to get out of my comfort zone, but when I want to just have fun, I ski.



>>I know I never lifted weights in a mirror at a gym to look like that.

Funny thing is when I was younger, I was always climbing, skiing, lifting, doing manual labor and used to pop off 100 pushups before bed every night for years. A couple of months a go, I was walking by a mirror, looked and thought "Damn, my arms look like they belong on a twelve year-old girl".  I was the lightest and fattest I've ever been.

So I started going to the gym with focus - spending less actual time exercising, but doing it hard. I realized that for a long time, I'd been going through the motions more than pushing myself. After a couple of months, I have some definition back in my arms and some semblance of six pack showing. I didn't actually notice until my wife said "Holy shit sweetie! You have abs again."

I've put on a few pounds and dropped a fair bit of fat.... moving in the right direction.
Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: dogboy on January 14, 2011, 07:53:39 PM


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Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: dogboy on January 14, 2011, 07:58:16 PM
yeah, no MMA for me after all, just enjoying the jiu-jitsu:)
Title: Re: MMA training starts Monday...
Post by: Rupert on January 14, 2011, 10:45:02 PM
I cannot exercise for its own sake, but a game a squash, a good bike ride with mates.  Or a skiing holiday.  That's Good.
You guys are extreme :)

NFFC... going on HOLIDAY!!!!!!   what?.... for fun?   

No, I wont believe it until I have seen the pictures. 
Thats like... no, you said it would never happen.


Seems we are not  just a bunch of geeks in here. ;D