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Title: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: Brad on August 04, 2015, 06:29:28 PM
I'm sitting on the porch where I occasionally I see and hear a B-24 Mitchell and a B-17 Flying Fortress fly over.  Those big heavy radial engines have a distinctive sound.  The flying museum/restoration group is back at the county airport raising money by giving rides up to Lake Michigan in these two and a B-24 Liberator.

I still get goose bumps when I see them fly over.
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: rcjordan on August 04, 2015, 06:56:13 PM
Candy Bomber stays here frequently on the USCG air base about 3 miles from my house.
http://generalaviationnews.com/2009/11/19/candy-bomber-at-first-in-flight-festival/

PLENTY of C130s & just about every kind of military helicopter you can think of, too.  But they ALL pale when compared to our blimps. Everybody loves blimps!
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: littleman on August 04, 2015, 08:07:04 PM
I'm a fan of WW2 flying machines.  You are a lucky guy.
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: Drastic on August 04, 2015, 09:35:11 PM
They fly over our house about 200 yards up when they come to town. Surreal, just hanging there roaring.

I think it's $400 to take a flight in one, next time they come I may go up in the B-17.
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: Brad on August 04, 2015, 10:48:47 PM
I'm a sucker for WW II flyovers. Every time they do one in the UK I catch the BBC video.  Love those Spitfires, Hurricanes and Lancasters.

Saw a P-51 Mustang flying once.

>Candy Bomber

Those guys were extremely brave in unarmed transports and on a very important mission.
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: JasonD on August 05, 2015, 09:31:47 AM
In my former life, we lived about 2 miles away from where the aircraft would turn around before flying through through Central London.

Every WW2 anniversary or special occasion when the old aircraft, alongside modern day RAF planes would have a procession through London, we saw them all right about our houses. It was truly amazing.

Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: Rumbas on August 05, 2015, 01:16:51 PM
>Everybody loves blimps!

Amen. Especially after seeing the hangers in NC. Amazing.
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: Brad on August 06, 2015, 02:43:29 PM
Next time you are in the UK, visit the Imperial War Museum, Duxford.  They have lots of WW II planes and vintage jet fighters and even some tanks.  When I was last there, 35 years ago, they also had a Concord airliner you could walk through and a Japanese "Long Lance" torpedo.  Great place.
http://www.iwm.org.uk/visits/iwm-duxford
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: littleman on August 06, 2015, 05:34:50 PM
The thing I love about WWII planes (and technology in general) is the same thing that made the war so horrible and deadly.  It was a hyper-accelerated race in technology, where the brightest minds of the world were competing for life and nation.  The advances were not theoretical, but proven from engagement. 

The performance of the piston driven propeller planes are still on par with the best performing propeller planes 70+ years later.  The P-51 Mustang actually out performs the A-29 Super Tucano.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_P-51_Mustang#Specifications_.28P-51D_Mustang.29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_EMB_314_Super_Tucano#Specifications_.28EMB_314_Super_Tucano.29
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: rcjordan on August 06, 2015, 05:43:45 PM
> best performing propeller planes 70+ years later

True, but isn't that because general aviation has been belly-up since the 80s? That and the hellatious FAA certification requirements.
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: littleman on August 06, 2015, 05:48:24 PM
I think that works its way into my point.  It is amazing what can happen when an all out race with huge stakes is on.
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: rcjordan on August 06, 2015, 06:00:09 PM
I agree with your point about fast innovation during ww2. Same for our space program and sputnik.  Humans run the fastest when chased by boogiemen.
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: buckworks on August 06, 2015, 08:11:32 PM
My dad was rejected by the Canadian forces because of an eye problem.

He spent the war as a mechanic doing maintenance on planes like these, for the Commonwealth Air Training Program.
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: Gurtie on August 08, 2015, 07:09:11 PM
We used to be on the Wooton Bassett flight path and have chinooks and other interesting stuff at all hours of the day and night. Now its much less frequent but we were getting a lot of what looked like Taranis' a few weeks ago which was genuinely cool.. I don't really understand why they come across so often after WB closed but can only assume that some combination of the valley we sit on and the airport lights make for a good naviigation waypoint still.

The vintage stuff is less frequent -- we get quite a lot of red arrows turning after shows etc but I think the older stuff has a shorter turning circle!
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: Rooftop on August 11, 2015, 09:44:02 PM
We have a spitfire flying over with pretty regular frequency.  I probably see it a couple of times a month, but always stop to look.
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: Rupert on August 20, 2015, 07:40:15 AM
Apologies for the self moment here, but its coming anyway :

When Dad died, there was talk there might be a Spitfire flyover. There wasn't of course, it was just old boy talk :) 
Also, there is a poppy field near (1/4 mile from the church) us that I  spells out WW1 from the air, so they do pop over that time of year.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2685056/In-BELPER-fields-poppies-blow-Stunning-aerial-shots-poppies-spelling-WW1-25-million-seeds-planted-Derbyshire-one-man-horse-killed-conflict.html

But he worked for Rolls Royce for 35 years, and so the sound of that Merlin engine runs through my blood too.

We also have the Dam Busters practice dam up the road, so get the Lancasters flying over.

Other special moments..

Being in the Station masters house at RAF Kinloss when the last Nimrod took off. Engines facing us...  Shook the whole house.
Watching Dad fly in a Tiger moth at Duxford when he was 75... he flew them in an earlier life.

Funny how these magnificent Machines touch us... thanks for starting this thread. Its a happy moment :)
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: Travoli on August 20, 2015, 05:42:28 PM
We've got this in our backyard, RC:  http://www.militaryaviationmuseum.org/ww2-aircraft.html
Almost all are airworthy and flown. You can walk right up to all the planes in the hangars. The owner flies his P-51 over the beach often.
It's a great event venue, and I'm sure he writes the whole "hobby" off.


Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: Rupert on August 21, 2015, 05:57:48 AM
cool!
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: JasonD on August 21, 2015, 08:37:09 AM
>Duxford

I used to live at the other end of the M11 to Duxford. It was a glorious place to go and see these amazing aircraft. It's been quite a few years since I was last there but this has reinvigorated me to go and visit - thanks.
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: jetboy on August 21, 2015, 10:12:55 AM
We live fairly close to Shuttleworth where they have regular air shows. On a drive home a few weeks ago, it was a lovely sight to see the last flying Avro Vulcan banking over our house.
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: Rupert on August 21, 2015, 10:53:36 AM
Vulcan... I know an ex pilot.... he has some stories!

That was an amazing plane.
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: Brad on August 21, 2015, 11:31:33 AM
>>Vulcan

One of the neatest looking planes ever.

Looks like they have added on to Duxford tremendously in the last 35 years.  When I was there it was pretty much just the original buildings. Makes it a much more all season/weather destination.
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: littleman on August 28, 2015, 07:15:27 PM
My wife took this snapshot of the A-12 on display at the California Science Center in LA.  The A-12 is basically the same plane as the SR-71 Blackbird, but it was made first and flown by the CIA.  This plane was the trainer version, the only one with dual cockpit.  That's one thing they changes, with the A-12s there was only one person being the pilot and also running the spy equipment, but the SR-71 had two people and split the duty.  The SR-71s had more equipment on them as well.  Apparently that made the A-12s a bit faster and able to fly higher, but made the SR-71s more practical.  These things are just awesome in person, if you are ever in LA go check it out.  You could walk right underneath the thing and see the titanium metal work -- unlike the SR-71s the A-12s were mostly left unpainted.
Title: Re: Vintage Warbirds
Post by: rcjordan on September 05, 2015, 06:06:08 PM
I like the WW2 art the best

http://i.imgur.com/Hm8LXKD.jpg