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Why We Are Here => Water Cooler => Topic started by: Rupert on December 19, 2016, 10:23:00 PM

Title: Is this the Ferdinand moment?
Post by: Rupert on December 19, 2016, 10:23:00 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/19/russias-ambassador-turkey-shot-assassination-attempt1/


Th inde says:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ambassador-shooting-turkey-nato-security-services-andrey-karlov-a7485296.html

QuoteVladimir Zhirinovsky, who leads the right-wing nationalist Liberal Democratic Party of Russia, said the killing was "a false flag operation by the West".
Title: Re: Is this the Ferdinand moment?
Post by: littleman on December 19, 2016, 11:26:40 PM
With the risk of seeming jaded I get the suspicion that most of the dominant players in this will look at the death as an inconvenience.  Putin is not going to upset the NATO balance before his choice for president gets into office.
Title: Re: Is this the Ferdinand moment?
Post by: Rupert on December 20, 2016, 08:52:55 AM
Suspect and hope you are right.  Just after the discussions recently, it struck me there are several similarities.

But I am not sure the Russians are looking for an excuse for war.  But then I struggle to understand why anyone would at any time.
Title: Re: Is this the Ferdinand moment?
Post by: ergophobe on December 20, 2016, 05:18:32 PM
First reaction was same as Rupert and a few seconds later started thinking like littleman, mostly because right now the Turkish govt and the Russians are both fighting ISIS, so what would Russia have to gain by destabilizing Turkey right now?

>> I struggle to understand why anyone would at any time.

"Though he promise me much, I will not map him the route to any man's door.
Am I a spy in the land of the living that I should deliver men to Death?"
- Edna Saint-Vincent Millay, "Conscientious Objector"
Title: Re: Is this the Ferdinand moment?
Post by: rcjordan on January 24, 2017, 06:06:18 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/23/spicer-trump-will-challenge-china-in-the-south-china-sea-to-defend-us-interests/

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1572M4

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/01/24/is-trump-ready-for-war-in-the-south-china-sea-or-is-his-team-just-not-being-clear/
Title: Re: Is this the Ferdinand moment?
Post by: ergophobe on January 24, 2017, 06:46:12 PM
QuoteAsked how the United States would enforce any move against China, Spicer seemed keen to change the subject

Ive been asking the same question as the headline for a while now. Is Donald ready to go to war over this and if not, what is his end game? This is no longer the Art of the Deal where he can just file Chapter 11 when it goes really, really astray.
Title: Re: Is this the Ferdinand moment?
Post by: rcjordan on January 24, 2017, 06:50:58 PM
His buddies are digging in. Literally.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich
Title: Re: Is this the Ferdinand moment?
Post by: rcjordan on January 26, 2017, 10:46:17 PM
Mikhail Gorbachev: 'It All Looks As If the World Is Preparing for War'

http://time.com/4645442/gorbachev-putin-trump/
Title: Re: Is this the Ferdinand moment?
Post by: rcjordan on January 28, 2017, 02:25:55 PM
South China Morning Post: China 'steps up preparedness for possible military conflict with US'

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2065799/china-steps-preparedness-possible-military-conflict-us
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