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Why We Are Here => Economics & Investing => Topic started by: rcjordan on April 06, 2017, 11:56:44 AM

Title: 50% Of Americans Live Payday-To-Payday; 33% Can't Write A $500 Emergency Check
Post by: rcjordan on April 06, 2017, 11:56:44 AM
Caution, this is zerohedge, but worth a read as this article pulls together a lot of studies & headlines I've seen over the last month or so.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-05/50-americans-live-payday-payday-33-cant-write-500-emergency-check

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Title: Re: 50% Of Americans Live Payday-To-Payday; 33% Can't Write A $500 Emergency Check
Post by: Mackin USA on April 06, 2017, 01:25:48 PM
How much CASH do you have on hand in case of emergency.

Cash, not access to funds via ATM etc.

Scary to think what people would do if the system just stopped working, even for a short period of time.  :(
Title: Re: 50% Of Americans Live Payday-To-Payday; 33% Can't Write A $500 Emergency Check
Post by: rcjordan on April 06, 2017, 04:19:00 PM
cash? 200-800, depending on whether I'm hitting CL or not.

aside:

My brother once found $30k hidden in an overhead light fixture while he was helping clean out an estate.  Good way to lose 30k, imo.
Title: Re: 50% Of Americans Live Payday-To-Payday; 33% Can't Write A $500 Emergency Check
Post by: ergophobe on April 06, 2017, 04:59:11 PM
This is, AFAIK, just a regurgitation of Neal Gabler's article that made big news about a year ago
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/05/my-secret-shame/476415/

Which if I recall, was citing a study that was already a bit old at the time
Title: Re: 50% Of Americans Live Payday-To-Payday; 33% Can't Write A $500 Emergency Check
Post by: ergophobe on April 06, 2017, 05:00:24 PM
Some of the "anti" fallout

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/434490/middle-class-doing-okay-no-need-gloom-doom
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_bills/2016/04/neal_gabler_s_atlantic_essay_is_part_of_an_old_aggravating_genre_the_sad.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-timmel/neal-gabler-is-not-a-voic_b_9802810.html


Original study was from the Federal Reserve in 2014
http://www.federalreserve.gov/econresdata/2014-report-economic-well-being-us-households-201505.pdf
Title: Re: 50% Of Americans Live Payday-To-Payday; 33% Can't Write A $500 Emergency Check
Post by: littleman on April 06, 2017, 05:03:48 PM
If everything actually ground to a halt precious metals would probably be much more usable than cash imo.  I remember reading about a type of necklace worn in India that is made of 24k gold.  It is made with large links that can be undone by hand.  The idea is that you can remove a link to barter with and then put the remaining chain back around your neck for safe keeping.  Of course you'd have to take some safety precautions.
Title: Re: 50% Of Americans Live Payday-To-Payday; 33% Can't Write A $500 Emergency Check
Post by: littleman on April 06, 2017, 05:18:04 PM
Added:  The sky is always falling at the Core.  As a group, we seem to expect the worse all the time.

I think economics works somewhat like Newtonian physics.
Title: Re: 50% Of Americans Live Payday-To-Payday; 33% Can't Write A $500 Emergency Check
Post by: Travoli on April 06, 2017, 08:05:31 PM
>in case of emergency
>If everything actually ground to a halt

Cash may be worthless. Stock antibiotics, first-aid, water filters and Nicotine products to trade. Use the cash to wipe.

>As a group, we seem to expect the worse all the time.

Pessimism feels great.
Title: Re: 50% Of Americans Live Payday-To-Payday; 33% Can't Write A $500 Emergency Check
Post by: rcjordan on April 06, 2017, 09:42:28 PM
>Pessimism feels great.

"An optimist is never prepared." --rcjordan
Title: Re: 50% Of Americans Live Payday-To-Payday; 33% Can't Write A $500 Emergency Check
Post by: littleman on April 06, 2017, 10:09:29 PM
I guess I've known too many fat-guy-with-a-shotgun types but I feel like too much pessimism is also debilitating.
Title: Re: 50% Of Americans Live Payday-To-Payday; 33% Can't Write A $500 Emergency Check
Post by: rcjordan on April 06, 2017, 10:12:16 PM
>too much pessimism is also debilitating

Can confirm.