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Why We Are Here => Economics & Investing => Topic started by: ergophobe on April 26, 2017, 06:28:19 PM

Title: Florida's Nightmare Scenario from Climate Change
Post by: ergophobe on April 26, 2017, 06:28:19 PM
Sea levels rise, boats can't sail from inland marinas to the ocean, prices fall, banks stop issuing 30-year mortgages, prices collapse all before the water laps at the door of a single house

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-04-19/the-nightmare-scenario-for-florida-s-coastal-homeowners
Title: Re: Florida's Nightmare Scenario from Climate Change
Post by: Mackin USA on April 26, 2017, 07:12:09 PM
 :P Better PREP 4 that  ::)
Title: Re: Florida's Nightmare Scenario from Climate Change
Post by: rcjordan on April 26, 2017, 10:43:03 PM
IMO, it's already underway in any coastal community, but only at the fringes. 
Title: Re: Florida's Nightmare Scenario from Climate Change
Post by: rcjordan on April 27, 2017, 12:44:38 PM
Far too little. Far, far too late.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article129284119.html

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Politics 100% aside, I am convinced --and know of similar motivations by NC developers-- that the loss of property value for his portfolio of holdings is the underlying reason for Trump's climate-change denial.
Title: Re: Florida's Nightmare Scenario from Climate Change
Post by: Brad on April 27, 2017, 01:56:30 PM
At some point the Federal Government will stop selling flood insurance for coastal properties in Florida and other very high risk properties nation wide.  Even with a slow 10 to 20 year phase out that will sink *pun* property values.
Title: Re: Florida's Nightmare Scenario from Climate Change
Post by: ergophobe on April 27, 2017, 05:23:48 PM
Quote from: rcjordan on April 27, 2017, 12:44:38 PM
Politics 100% aside, I am convinced --and know of similar motivations by NC developers-- that the loss of property value for his portfolio of holdings is the underlying reason for Trump's climate-change denial.

It doesn't have to be willful. Again, politics aside, we *all* have trouble integrating evidence that fundamentally contradicts our worldview or that threatens our livelihood. That's baked into the human brain. Of course, when we're at our best, we can overcome it, but we're often not at our best.
Title: Re: Florida's Nightmare Scenario from Climate Change
Post by: rcjordan on May 01, 2017, 05:00:49 PM
High Ground Is Becoming Hot Property as Sea Level Rises
Climate change may now be a part of the gentrification story in Miami real estate

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/high-ground-is-becoming-hot-property-as-sea-level-rises/
Title: Re: Florida's Nightmare Scenario from Climate Change
Post by: rcjordan on September 13, 2021, 07:28:03 PM
Miami's best real estate is under threat from rising sea levels, so the wealthy are moving to higher ground

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-14/miami-building-collapse-climate-change-gentrification/100376068
Title: Re: Florida's Nightmare Scenario from Climate Change
Post by: ergophobe on September 14, 2021, 08:54:50 PM
Moving to higher ground in FL strikes me as someone who is fairly shortsighted. Short of massive desalination plants, I don't see where the drinking water comes from given the nature of Florida water supply. So much is already salinating.
Title: Re: Florida's Nightmare Scenario from Climate Change
Post by: DrCool on September 15, 2021, 03:30:07 PM
>>fairly shortsighted

ALL of Florida is fairly shortsighted
Title: Re: Florida's Nightmare Scenario from Climate Change
Post by: rcjordan on September 16, 2021, 01:51:13 PM
Climate migration is already happening — for homeowners who can afford it

Homeowners relocating because of climate change, wildfires, flooding
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/16/homeowners-relocating-because-of-climate-change-wildfires-flooding.html
Title: Re: Florida's Nightmare Scenario from Climate Change
Post by: rcjordan on May 04, 2023, 02:33:14 PM
Florida and Louisiana are borrowing hundreds of millions of dollars to cope with hurricane insurance claims

https://qz.com/florida-and-louisiana-are-borrowing-hundreds-of-million-1850402783
Title: Re: Florida's Nightmare Scenario from Climate Change
Post by: Rupert on May 19, 2023, 04:59:12 AM
From the bottom of the CNBC article

QuoteThere are plenty of potential buyers. Consistent with Redfin's findings that more people are moving into high-risk areas, Romano said that the market is hotter than ever. After buying the house for approximately $650,000 12 years ago, she and her realtor are going to list it for $1.2 million.

some are clearly not seeing it yet.
Title: Re: Florida's Nightmare Scenario from Climate Change
Post by: ergophobe on May 19, 2023, 10:16:58 PM
I haven't looked into it in a long time, but heavily subsidized flood insurance makes this possible (or at least that used to be a main driver)
Title: Re: Florida's Nightmare Scenario from Climate Change
Post by: ergophobe on September 13, 2023, 03:00:00 AM
The Florida town built to weather hurricanes

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230904-babcock-ranch-floridas-first-hurricane-proof-town
Title: Re: Florida's Nightmare Scenario from Climate Change
Post by: Brad on September 13, 2023, 11:06:52 AM
>Florida town

That is a really good article ergo.  Thanks.

We are short term thinkers here in the US and we pay for it.