QuoteLong-range 3 goes 310 miles for $44K.
HOME CHARGING RATE: 37 miles of range per hour
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/07/pared-down-electric-experience-driving-one-of-the-first-model-3s-off-the-line/
Too bad it's a sedan. Sedans are dead in the US.
Quote from: rcjordan on July 29, 2017, 01:18:56 PM
Too bad it's a sedan. Sedans are dead in the US.
Electric hypercar? That could be a bit seller, but probably not cheap.
>sedans
Here's one article. I've read similar articles re Ford.
Quotesales of cars continue to plummet in the U.S. and as consumers increasingly turn to SUVs and pickups.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2017/07/22/general-motors-may-eliminate-up-six-cars-lineup-report-says/501847001/
Electric SUV:
https://www.theverge.com/transportation/2017/7/27/16052118/bollinger-b1-electric-sport-truck-outdoors
@simplytheresa is holding out for one of these
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4103928/The-VW-camper-goes-hi-tech-Electric-powered-model-costing-45-000-host-gadgets-ability-drive-unveiled.html
Or at least, I'm trying to get her to hold out that long. I'm not sure she can wait 5 years though.
Smells a little of bull-shit. Maybe they're factoring in future tech.
QuoteRange on a full charge is around 373 miles with 80 per cent of the battery replenished in just half an hour's charge, the company says.
I'm not sure I can write a check for £30,000 to £45,000.
Can an admin please remove RC's post. He is sowing dissension and unhappiness in our household by calling into question the carrot that I'm putting out for Theresa if she waits five years to get a van.
>>Bollinger
That may be the first car I've ever really coveted, which surprises me. But I really like that vehicle.
Rule of thumb - solar panels can generate 1Kwh in 5 hours of full sun. So if you could get a 4 m^2 solar panel to sit on the roof, that would be 4Kwh per day. So at then end of a 5-day backpacking trip, you would come back to a vehicle with 20Kwh hours of new charge. The Bollinger gets 2 miles per Kwh... so you could drive 40 miles based on that (not on forest service roads, but on paved roads anyway especially since unlike gas cars, electric cars should have their highest efficiencies at lower speeds).
Quotedissension and unhappiness in our household
Don't worry about it. I've moved on from carrot to carrot cake. I thought someone said something about a trip to the South of France. ;)
I might be waiting more than 5 years for these to get off bleeding-edge pricing.
https://www.wired.com/2014/09/fedex-wrightspeed-diesel-ev-trucks
(BTW, Fedex canceled when diesel prices dropped.)
>>>Bollinger
I'm best friends with the widely proclaimed "God Of Land Rovers" ---you want me to price a Solar 109 Series II for you? Aluminum. More room. Rides like a sack of rocks.
>South Of France
Don't start, SBS, I'm already getting pinged about travel.
Quote from: rcjordan on July 30, 2017, 07:32:38 PM
you want me to price a Solar 109 Series II for you?
No thanks. Planning to keep my old ICE cars as long as I can and hope that, as you say, the bleeding edge premium wears off on the new EVs before buying another vehicle.
Quote from: rcjordan on July 30, 2017, 07:32:38 PM
Don't start, SBS, I'm already getting pinged about travel.
SBS??? I didn't follow that comment
Should be ST/simplytheresa
A few here have wanderlust. Talking about foreign excursions sets us off.
>South Of France
I hear the river cruises are nice. Get an upper-level cabin, though.
Quote from: ergophobe on July 30, 2017, 04:52:35 PM
@simplytheresa is holding out for one of these
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4103928/The-VW-camper-goes-hi-tech-Electric-powered-model-costing-45-000-host-gadgets-ability-drive-unveiled.html
Or at least, I'm trying to get her to hold out that long. I'm not sure she can wait 5 years though.
I call bullshit on this PR for three reasons
1. VW had some really similar concepts to this for the T6 (I own a T6... it looks nothing like that. They bottled it)
2. "It will carry a price tag of £30,000 to £40,000" . Current Caravelle, which is the closest spec, starts at £39,000 today. 2 mins playing with the configurator and I got the price to a couple of tanks of fuel under £60,000. No way are they going to add what they are saying and also drop the price by a third
3. Daily Mail :)
QuoteThe company announced Friday the total cost for a fully-optioned Model 3 could reach $59,500, which would be out of reach for many mainstream buyers.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-31/musk-likened-to-common-car-dealer-as-model-3-can-reach-59-500
VW announced the microbus a little more formally this time. Still 5 years out, ST.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/19/16173938/volkswagen-microbus-i-d-buzz-concept-production-nostalgia
Quote from: rcjordan on July 31, 2017, 01:42:05 AM
I hear the river cruises are nice. Get an upper-level cabin, though.
We would be more likely visiting Verdon and Ceuse ;-)
https://www.google.com/search?q=verdon+escalade
QuoteStill 5 years out, ST.
Still decent timing. I suspect by 5 years from now, they will not be the only option on the market
Bollinger's all-electric truck makes its first test track appearance (in possibly manipulated videos)
https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/19/16329150/bollinger-motors-b1-all-electric-truck-test-drive
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-3/2018/exclusive-tesla-model-3-first-drive-review/
Saw one on the road yesterday -- it is actually pretty attractive in person.
Now we're talking, electric VW Thing.
https://www.autoblog.com/2017/10/24/volkswagen-hints-at-electric-thing/
Tesla
Somebody around here has a Tesla S I've spotted a couple of times. Seems fast.
The Tesla 3 sure seems impressive. However, Tesla's weakness is in where do you get it serviced when something goes wrong?
Right now I'd buy a Chevy Bolt before I'd buy a Tesla because I have no shortage of Chevy dealers for service. Ditto Nissan Leaf.
I will say I'm impressed after reading up on the top EV's, they are much further along than I thought.
>electric VW Thing.
I had a couple of Things stashed in the shed. Sold 1, other needs to go.
You'd better wait until the E-Thing everything goes level 5 autonomous as these old VWs had all the crash protection of a paper bag.
And vintage VWs remind me, what about A/C & HEAT in e-cars? Cabin comfort is a big drain on power. I'm sure guessing the high-end vehics like Tesla have decent HVAC, but -like the air-cooleds of yore- is it going to be a problem with e-cars?
HVAC
It's going to be tricky. Montana, Wyoming, N Dakota in the winter. Plus add in the low friction tires.
Also the SW for AC. Except the SW can take some power advantage with solar.
Breaking.
Republican tax reform bill would eliminate electric car subsidy.
News http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-tesla-tax-subsidy-20171102-story.html
Doug DeMuro's walk around & drive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te6VqldjTT8
>Nissan Leaf
Electric car buyers claim they were misled by Nissan
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44575399
Scotland for the win (not just cricket dahlings) :
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/223/electric-car-timeline.html