shots fired - apple/fb

Started by Drastic, January 31, 2021, 04:00:20 PM

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Brad

Long term, regulation of Google ads and privacy problems will even this out.  It could take a long time but you know it's coming.

rcjordan

"It's been pretty devastating for I would say the majority of advertisers," said Eric Seufert, a mobile analyst who writes the Mobile Dev Memo trade blog. "The big question is: Are we seeing just short-term volatility where we can expect a move back to the mean, or is this a new normal?"

Facebook advertisers, in particular, have noticed an impact in the last month. Media buyers who run Facebook ad campaigns on behalf of clients said Facebook is no longer able to reliably see how many sales its clients are making, so it's harder to figure out which Facebook ads are working.


Facebook (FB) Advertisers Impacted By Apple (AAPL) Privacy iOS 14 Changes - Bloomberg
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-14/facebook-fb-advertisers-impacted-by-apple-aapl-privacy-ios-14-changes

littleman

>burnt to the ground

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/17/1038180275/the-wall-street-journal-takes-a-deep-dive-into-the-facebook-files

Among other things:
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KING: The fourth part of your series details horrific things that can be found on Facebook, including job postings that lure women into situations akin to slavery. Tell me about what you found and why that has been allowed to go on.

HORWITZ: So this is sort of a crisis of, I suppose, a lack of concern in some respects.

KING: Huh.

HORWITZ: Facebook was very much aware that it had a problem with human trafficking on its platform, large scale. And in fact, in some instances, it even allowed people to sell maids so long as they were doing it through, quote-unquote, "brick-and-mortar" establishments in the Persian Gulf and Gulf states. And they simply tolerated this until Apple, the - you know, maker of my iPhone, decided that it needed to tell them that it was going to either kick them off the App Store - so remove Facebook and Instagram from its App Store - unless they took care of it immediately. They did it then, but then they let the problem get back out of hand. And there's no question that they knew that there were massive amounts of this stuff on their platform.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-facebook-files-11631713039

rcjordan


ergophobe

OK... so let's say I have Chrome with uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger and Firefox with just plain old Firefox, no plugins (which, actually, I do). How does the level of tracking compare depending on which browser I'm on?

And BTW, I keep using Chrome as one of my two browsers
- I use Streak as a CRM and that only works with Chromium browsers
- I've just never had a good long-term experience with other Chromium browsers even after using them for months. I get sick of all the sites that ID user agents and then do stupid things because it's Chromium but no Chrome.

My wife, who does not use Streak, is completely on Firefox and much happier. Without that one condition, she just finds it to be a superior experience, completely setting aside privacy issues.

Brad

The biggest difference is that with Chrome, Google is getting the tracking data direct right from Chrome.  uBlock, Privacy Badger can't block that.  Google admitted that even in Privacy mode, they (Google) are still getting telemetry.

ergophobe

Well... As long as Streak requires Chromium, I'll probably be a Chrome user. As I said, I'm tired of using Chromium browsers and having whatever oddities that seem to crop up. It just wears me down after a while. I'm on Google Workspace for email anyway... so my biggest secrets are out regardless of what browser I'm on.

Again, I'm loathe to move away from that since these two accounts now hold a dozen years of email archive. It can be transferred of course (I own the domains - at least they are not @gmail.com addresses), but still...

rcjordan

What we really need are psuedo-IPs.

rcjordan

Report: iOS Users Who Opt-Out of App Tracking Continue to Be Tracked by Facebook and Snapchat - MacRumors
https://www.macrumors.com/2021/12/08/users-continue-to-be-tracked-by-facebook/