Review w/specs of Tesla Model 3

[rcjordan]

Long-range 3 goes 310 miles for $44K.

HOME CHARGING RATE: 37 miles of range per hour

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/07/pared-down-electric-experience-driving-one-of-the-first-model-3s-off-the-line/

Too bad it's a sedan. Sedans are dead in the US.

[ergophobe]

Too bad it's a sedan. Sedans are dead in the US.

Electric hypercar? That could be a bit seller, but probably not cheap.

[rcjordan]

>sedans

Here's one article. I've read similar articles re Ford.

sales of cars continue to plummet in the U.S. and as consumers increasingly turn to SUVs and pickups.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2017/07/22/general-motors-may-eliminate-up-six-cars-lineup-report-says/501847001/

Electric SUV:

https://www.theverge.com/transportation/2017/7/27/16052118/bollinger-b1-electric-sport-truck-outdoors

[ergophobe]

@simplytheresa is holding out for one of these
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4103928/The-VW-camper-goes-hi-tech-Electric-powered-model-costing-45-000-host-gadgets-ability-drive-unveiled.html

Or at least, I'm trying to get her to hold out that long. I'm not sure she can wait 5 years though.

[rcjordan]

Smells a little of bull-shit. Maybe they're factoring in future tech.

Range on a full charge is around 373 miles with 80 per cent of the battery replenished in just half an hour's charge, the company says.

I'm not sure I can write a check for £30,000 to £45,000.

[ergophobe]

Can an admin please remove RC's post. He is sowing dissension and unhappiness in our household by calling into question the carrot that I'm putting out for Theresa if she waits five years to get a van.

>>Bollinger

That may be the first car I've ever really coveted, which surprises me. But I really like that vehicle.

Rule of thumb - solar panels can generate 1Kwh in 5 hours of full sun. So if you could get a 4 m^2 solar panel to sit on the roof, that would be 4Kwh per day. So at then end of a 5-day backpacking trip, you would come back to a vehicle with 20Kwh hours of new charge. The Bollinger gets 2 miles per Kwh... so you could drive 40 miles based on that (not on forest service roads, but on paved roads anyway especially since unlike gas cars, electric cars should have their highest efficiencies at lower speeds).

[simplytheresa]

dissension and unhappiness in our household

Don't worry about it. I've moved on from carrot to carrot cake. I thought someone said something about a trip to the South of France. 

[rcjordan]

I might be waiting more than 5 years for these to get off bleeding-edge pricing.

https://www.wired.com/2014/09/fedex-wrightspeed-diesel-ev-trucks

(BTW, Fedex canceled when diesel prices dropped.)

>>>Bollinger

I'm best friends with the widely proclaimed "God Of Land Rovers"  ---you want me to price a Solar 109 Series II for you?  Aluminum. More room. Rides like a sack of rocks.

>South Of France

Don't start, SBS, I'm already getting pinged about travel.

[ergophobe]

you want me to price a Solar 109 Series II for you?

No thanks. Planning to keep my old ICE cars as long as I can and hope that, as you say, the bleeding edge premium wears off on the new EVs before buying another vehicle.

Don't start, SBS, I'm already getting pinged about travel.

SBS??? I didn't follow that comment

[rcjordan]

Should be ST/simplytheresa

A few here have wanderlust.  Talking about foreign excursions sets us off.


>South Of France

I hear the river cruises are nice.  Get an upper-level cabin, though.

[Rooftop]

@simplytheresa is holding out for one of these
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4103928/The-VW-camper-goes-hi-tech-Electric-powered-model-costing-45-000-host-gadgets-ability-drive-unveiled.html

Or at least, I'm trying to get her to hold out that long. I'm not sure she can wait 5 years though.

I call bullshit on this PR for three reasons

1. VW had some really similar concepts to this for the T6 (I own a T6... it looks nothing like that. They bottled it)
2. "It will carry a price tag of £30,000 to £40,000" . Current Caravelle, which is the closest spec, starts at £39,000 today.  2 mins playing with the configurator and I got the price to a couple of tanks of fuel under £60,000. No way are they going to add what they are saying and also drop the price by a third
3. Daily Mail

[rcjordan]

The company announced Friday the total cost for a fully-optioned Model 3 could reach $59,500, which would be out of reach for many mainstream buyers.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-31/musk-likened-to-common-car-dealer-as-model-3-can-reach-59-500

[rcjordan]

VW announced the microbus a little more formally this time.  Still 5 years out, ST.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/19/16173938/volkswagen-microbus-i-d-buzz-concept-production-nostalgia

[ergophobe]

I hear the river cruises are nice.  Get an upper-level cabin, though.

We would be more likely visiting Verdon and Ceuse ;-)

https://www.google.com/search?q=verdon+escalade

Still 5 years out, ST.

Still decent timing. I suspect by 5 years from now, they will not be the only option on the market

[rcjordan]

Bollinger's all-electric truck makes its first test track appearance (in possibly manipulated videos)

https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/19/16329150/bollinger-motors-b1-all-electric-truck-test-drive