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About all those people moving to NC
« on: April 04, 2024, 11:26:37 PM »
They wouldn't do it if you just had restrictive zoning laws that prevented people from building any houses.

Chart: NC now builds almost as many housing units as CA
https://twitter.com/JosephPolitano/status/1775958037297348915

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Re: About all those people moving to NC
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2024, 11:34:50 PM »
"Complete indictment of California housing policy here."

I think it has more to do with HCOL vs LCOL.  $$$Price for land, labor, and materials PLUS nanny-state codes and ordinances.

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Re: About all those people moving to NC
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2024, 10:37:32 PM »
It's a bit of a chicken and egg question, but the high cost of living and high cost of land in CA is driven by CA housing policy. Incumbent homeowners have captured the system driving up prices. It is close to impossible to build in much of California, especially if you want to build multi-family housing.

I used to argue with people about this when I volunteered at the Sierra Club Bookstore. They were all proud of stopping high-density development. I would try to explain that the alternatives are decidedly anti-environmental. Now the Sierra Club national organization has gotten religion on this, but the local chapters still tend to oppose development that would "change the character of the neighborhood."

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Re: About all those people moving to NC
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2024, 10:44:51 PM »
To spell it out a bit more... I'm arguing that the low housing supply makes housing expensive which drives up wages and material costs (because the land for the lumber yard is so expensive and the materials have to be transported farther to job sites) and those nanny-state codes and ordinances ARE part of the housing policy. That's the part that affordable housing advocates are trying to fix.

All those codes get deployed in the service of incumbent homeowners, often in situations that have little resemblance to the situations envisioned by lawmakers.

There are other factors, like SF being on a peninsula, a lot of places with steep hills and things that genuinely do drive up prices, but an inability to build is a problem. Over the last 10 years, our county has LOST housing stock. We have fewer houses today than we did in 2015.

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Re: About all those people moving to NC
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2024, 09:57:23 PM »
Interesting to think about how housing is going to work into the future when we hit negative population growth and claimant change alters people's location patterns.   In the BA we are seeing a lot more high density housing going up these days and a lot of it is near rail.