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I've noticed that major appliances just don't have the lifespan they used to have.  I see my kids buying refrigs, washing machines, heat pumps, etc. because of catastrophic failure forcing replacement every 7-8 years vs 15-20 for us when we bought ours.  Anecdotally, it seems to be circuit boards failing more than routine electro-mechanical problems.  And the cost of trying to service them is prohibitive with a substantial risk of failure to fix.

Back a few years ago, I saw a youtube where a guy replaced his dishwasher's control board with an arduino.  As I watch arduino & rpi communities develop and progress, I think there will be an increasing effort to replace expensive, stupid control boards with inexpensive, smart computers.

Just my thought for today  ...as I work on my dishwasher.

BTW, my microwave is approaching 20 and my trash compactor is 35.

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I'm completely with you on major appliances, they just don't seem the last very long anymore.  I am on my fourth washing machine in 16 years and my third dishwasher.  It seems incredibly wasteful.  There is a modular phone in the works where one could swap out various bits instead of replacing the whole unit; it would be great if appliances were built more like this, at least as far as the control unit goes.

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Makes sense and would be great if that's the direction things go. I'm sure the likes of the EU would be on-board for this way of thinking.

Maybe even a standardised protocol would move things along faster.

Seems like an interesting market to tap into.

From what little I've done in GPU programming it seems like a hodge-podge of protocol but will become a more mainstream and more standardised way to compute.

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Louise was sorta discounting my pronouncements on the 'state of appliances' as crap-RC-says until the old, independent appliance repairman told her point-blank to never get rid of our dryer because it was the type that he could rebuild and that the new ones were flimsy by comparison.  It's gotta be 25 yrs old and clocking 2 million miles (5 kids, remember). I don't think I've spent $250 on repairs on it, total.

>hodge-podge of protocol

Yeah, and social is smoothing out some of the lumps.  The diy tutorials are getting pretty decent for stuff like temp sensors, solar panels. That's the sexy stuff. Soon, they'll figure out that the humdrum crap we own is eating us alive, budget-wise.

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>Maybe even a standardised protocol would move things along faster.

Didn't they do that with phone chargers?

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Not sure about phone chargers, I've just recently reacquired a phone and forget to have the thing on.....

Social, IFTTT and the flowing of ideas sounds good to me. Seems like an open-sourcing of it all.

There's room for bad code, though :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq6T5BojXc8

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> EU Phone chargers

They did and everyone bar Apple signed up to it, preferring instead to pay the fine every year. The standard was micro USB , which is now being phased out for USB C

> Arduino & Standardised comms

I'd love to see this happen after my boiler PCB broke down and had to be replaced. An easy job to do, but illegal for anyone bar a CORGI recognised plumber to do. When I saw what the issue was (Dry joint on one terminal) it pissed me off royally, especially as there is so little these devices need to do and an Arduino is simply a programmable chip with a simple language for coders to do lots of things well enough

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I've noticed that major appliances just don't have the lifespan they used to have.  

In the past 5 years, on appliances all less than 10 years old, I have replaced
 - two dishwasher circuit board
 - one drying
 - one fridge

The first two were easy. I had to call someone for the fridge (not that the repair was hard, but figuring out the cause was beyond me... it just wasn't getting cold enough).

The fridge repair guy confirmed that the lifespan of appliances is really short. Dishwashers, he said, were a particular problem b/c the control board is almost always right where the steam vents.

The control boards were mostly in the $130 range.

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New dishwasher this month.
apparently hotpoint have to sell 7000 units per (week month , not listening) but so many to keep selling, that the dishwasher is now designed to only last 2-3 years. (on 3-4 washes a week)

The EU meanwhile reduce the amount of water you can use in them, but ignore the elephant in the room. 


Anyone fancy settling up a small manu plant making simple dishwashers, that use enough water to wash the pots, and last 20 years?
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Re: ultra-cheap computers and social are going to disrupt appliance repair
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2016, 12:10:52 PM »
Thats a serious job.  took more than several  days.... to save $150.
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Re: ultra-cheap computers and social are going to disrupt appliance repair
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2016, 12:59:41 PM »
>days

The first time.  The trick would be to template the process.

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I've worked 2.5 days on restoring my dishwasher rack system. Non-OEM replacements (which have less features) start at $100. OEM is $250 + S&H ...if available.

Reason: to keep from entering Dishwasher Replacement Hell.  Replacement dws are crap.
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Re: ultra-cheap computers and social are going to disrupt appliance repair
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2016, 01:36:12 PM »
>crap

Yes.  I replaced my 6 yr old dishwasher.  New one takes twice as long to go through a wash cycle.  Uses less water to meet EPA standards which is probably good for California and the SW USA but I have no shortage of water here.   Does not clean as well as the old one and is drawing electricity all during the longer cycle.

Over the stove microwave died after 4 years, nice lady at the independent repair shop told me the $$ numbers over the phone to maybe fix it, and said "you might do better just going to Lowes and get a new one."

Neighbors, all with appliances about the same age as mine, have had refrigerators, dishwashers, microwaves all die.  And yes it is often the circuit boards that fail.  Seems like the fancier the appliances with more electronic bells and whistles fail first.

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Re: ultra-cheap computers and social are going to disrupt appliance repair
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2016, 01:53:54 PM »
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The first time.  The trick would be to template the process.

OK So find a machine that has some obvious fail points...
circuit, heater unit etc.

develop the fixes like that, and then rinse and repeat.  No need to build one that lasts forever, just find one that has fixes that are now easy to do.
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Re: ultra-cheap computers and social are going to disrupt appliance repair
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2016, 02:19:41 PM »
>more electronic bells and whistles fail first.

One of my SILs is an absolute sucker for high-end crap.  I've seen several of his high-$$, exclusive, TV-Chef endorsed, uber-name-brand appliances (dishwasher, now on his 3rd. Microwave. Gourmet gas range & oven) go tits-up in less than 2 years.  Then he spends days of his time waltzing with repairmen. Screw that.


Here's an appliance-buying tip that's served me almost as well as The Lynsky...  buy the model that's one level up from the merchant's doorbuster. Two levels up MAX.