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Re: ultra-cheap computers and social are going to disrupt appliance repair
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2016, 05:25:45 PM »
Thats a serious job.  took more than several  days.... to save $150.

Not for $150. To test himself. To see how far he can go. To learn something. To create fodder for a mega blog post. Despite his comment at the beginning, I don't think the $150 was a top-5 consideration on doing this, it was just the excuse (if it were a $6 part it would be hard to justify... but $150 was *just* enough that he could justify all this time, trouble and hacky look to his spouse... and I bet she still wishes he'd just bought the damn control board).

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Re: ultra-cheap computers and social are going to disrupt appliance repair
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2016, 11:04:14 AM »
Not to mention: my new hot water heater has a computer chip and a circuit board in it.  LED flashes codes and the plumber says they can plug in and get diagnostics.  Hot water heater tanks are not made as well as they used to be, plumber says anything over 10 years is borrowed time.  So now it's a race as to which fails first: the brain box or the tank.  At least it was made in USA.

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I thinking of washing dishes by hand.  ;)
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I thinking of washing dishes by hand.  ;)

There are a million articles saying that it takes less energy to wash dishes in a dishwasher. I wonder how the equation changes when you account for embodied energy and throwing the thing away every 7 years.

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I think 7 years is stretching it in the UK>

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To test himself. To see how far he can go. To learn something.
  Yes I get that, and would do it myself if I had time.  But when time is short, you need a quick fix. Buying all the parts off him might be a part solution for some, but he would then have all sorts of warranty issues to work with if he started doing it commercially.
While it is being done as a hobbiest, I get it.  I just cannot help my brain trying to see a commercial angle.  And I don't think it is there.

Although sold as a kit, then you buy the ardino.... so it takes away the warranty problem..... that might work.  He just needs to offer a parts list, the code, and the plastic front.  Might work.

Once he has one machine worked out, doing it for others as a kit is even easier.

Maybe when I retire :)
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I'm sorry... maybe I'm missing something.

I was referring to this guy
http://www.neonsquirt.com/dishwasher.html

who doesn't seem to be selling anything. He just seems to want to tell the world that he figured out how to run his dishwasher with an Arduino, no?

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Ergo, no your missing nothing. 

I am just trying to think of it commercially.
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Got it.

Yes, not a commercial venture. But hey, it's a cheap hobby compared to photography or woodworking!

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Re: ultra-cheap computers and social are going to disrupt appliance repair
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2016, 12:36:04 PM »
>>more electronic bells and whistles fail first.

>One of my SILs is an absolute sucker for high-end crap.  I've seen several of his high-$$, exclusive, TV-Chef endorsed, uber-name-brand appliances (dishwasher, now on his 3rd. Microwave. Gourmet gas range & oven) go t##s-up in less than 2 years.

Samsung in talks with US regulator on washing machine safety issues.  Another of my daughters has one of these high-end washers. Cost was >$800, IIRC.  Feature-set is great, but apparently mechanicals are crap.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/28/samsung-in-talks-with-us-regulator-on-washing-machine-safety-issues-after-note-7-recall.html

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Re: ultra-cheap computers and social are going to disrupt appliance repair
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2016, 01:08:47 PM »
Funny you should post here again RC, I was ony thinking about this thread the other day.

I have finally found a company that can program and build proper electronics, and cannot help thinking that a base level controller could be designed to fir in the unit, the front essentially blanked off with the simple buttons on, and then replacements found for some of the bearings... no reason why a washing machine shell cannot be made to last forever.

Sell the kits to the repair fitters, where the people want a cheap repair that lasts longer than the expensive replacement.  If the repair man makes more moey, might even work :) 
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Re: ultra-cheap computers and social are going to disrupt appliance repair
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2016, 01:21:01 PM »
Sort of related:

Sweden gives tax credits for repair over toss and replace.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/20/europe/sweden-money-for-repairs-trnd/index.html

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Re: ultra-cheap computers and social are going to disrupt appliance repair
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2016, 02:09:52 PM »
>Sweden

And this is from a country that -according to US news- buys trash from other countries because they make use all their own.  Impressive. People quickly respond to tax incentives.

Rupert, I hang out with a group of elder engineers (representing just about all the major disciplines) just to make me feel inadequate, hhh. One of the electronics guys posted this for electronics prototyping:
https://voltera.io/v-one   $$$

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Re: ultra-cheap computers and social are going to disrupt appliance repair
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2016, 04:01:54 AM »
It has taken an early morning without sleep for me to find this.  Sorry RC for not getting back to you.

 That is amazing.

I am having 5 pcb boards being built at the mo, and the process is so much more complex than that.  I am Imagining software that can be written as a drag and drop ITTT process, the hardware pcb design as a drag and drop, the logic tested on screen, and then the board printed with this. Simple electronics is still complex, but could be done at home. Oh and a 3D printer to put it all in a pretty box. a 1 off for a parts cost of say $30.

I have passed it on to my Prototype engineer.

<Thinking>The key is then probably understanding the correct design process for a robust unit. Its not easy still to design like that. </Thinking>
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Re: ultra-cheap computers and social are going to disrupt appliance repair
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2016, 11:10:18 AM »
>drag and drop

Had this bookmarked

http://www.cayenne-mydevices.com/

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Re: ultra-cheap computers and social are going to disrupt appliance repair
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2016, 12:38:06 PM »
that is so cool.  :)
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