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« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2012, 03:28:03 AM »
as of 3 hrs ago, the States were still awaiting a Federal response...

http://news.yahoo.com/colo-wash-await-federal-response-pot-measure-202557189.html

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« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2012, 08:25:34 AM »
Ok then, what if we set up shop in UK?

then you'd get arrested under UK law instead of US law.

I expect, if it were doable, someone would have been running this from The Netherlands by now.

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Re: Upset with the Elections? Smoke a joint and relax...
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2012, 01:28:36 PM »
>netherlands

Oddly ennough, Amsterdam has been shifting to an anti-pot stance over the last 2 years.  There was a big uproar about tourists not being able to go to the coffee houses.

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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2012, 01:34:37 PM »
>then you'd get arrested under UK law
I'm sure you are right, but I don't know UK law, so what part would be issue?  

It is legal for people to incorporate in the UK
It is legal for a UK corp to own a US corp.
It is legal for a US corp to do whatever is legal under state law, because corps are a US State concoction, not a Federal Govt convention.

...so no law was broken in the UK.  

If anything, the US corp would get in trouble with the US Federal government... but a US corp, operating under US State Law, can't possibly be breaking UK law, so who exactly would get arrested? and what UK law would be broken?
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Re: Upset with the Elections? Smoke a joint and relax...
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2012, 03:03:28 PM »
Just have it pressed into the form of a gun a la Cheech & Chong's ice cream truck... but have it painted in pink to disguise it as a toy. You can't actually buy it, but it can only be gifted via iphone app, through facebook and paid via paypal, with optional charity bonus gift to the Red Cross.

Totally legal, I think. But I'm not a lawyer.

Sorry...

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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2012, 05:03:52 PM »
ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL, Dras - I just spit a mimosa out my nose!!!!

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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2012, 10:16:17 PM »
>so who exactly would get arrested?
Whoever is in possession and trafficking/buying/selling.  You need to wait 20 years until robots could handle all that for you.

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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2012, 12:26:56 PM »
Hey, I swear I'm not really trying to be argumentative here; I'm genuinely trying to better understand the ramifications of these amendments... a mental exercise... so humor me if you will, just for fun.  Because what we have here is a huge inconsistency in what up to now has been a uniform governmental stance on clearly delineated laws.  And where there are inconsistencies, there are loopholes - the bigger the inconsistency, the bigger the loopholes. And where their is loopholes, there is exploitation... and exploitation, money. And given the subject matter, the revenue generated from it, and the sheer size of this 'loophole' (if you really want to call it that) there are million dollar ideas that are just laying about, waiting for people to figure them out.

In other words, the chances of me finding a defensible angle somewhere in all this (even if I'm not going to act on it) is actually quite good, because the chances of definitively shutting me down are no longer 100%... which means this is actually far from being as clearcut a case, as it may seem at first glance.

>Whoever is in possession and trafficking/buying/selling.
But as long as the people in possession and trafficking/buying/selling are in CO, and selling to people in CO, UK authorities have no jurisdiction, and State Authorities cannot charge them, because they only enforce State Law. Agreed?

So the drug dealer only needs to be concerned about US Federal law.  So if the corporation and hosting is offshore, and orders from the website were sent directly to drop shippers emails, also offshore, and money collected offshore, the only poor bastard that is going to get arrested is the 'Registered Agent' that gets paid $99/yr, who again isn't dealing drugs, and has no say in what the corporation does, just the responsibility to keep the corporation compliant with state rules governing corporations.... which means nothing is going to happen to him either.

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In American English the word corporation is widely used to describe incorporated entities, especially those that have a large number of shareholders, and in respect of which, ownership can be transferred without the need for the consent of other shareholders. In British English and in the commonwealth countries, the term public company is more widely used to describe the same sort of entity while the word company encompasses all incorporated entities. In American English, the word company can include entities such as partnerships that would not be referred to as companies in British English as they are not a separate legal entity.

Despite not being natural persons, corporations are recognized by the law to have rights and responsibilities like natural persons ("people"). Corporations can exercise human rights against real individuals and the state,[4][5] and they can themselves be responsible for human rights violations.[6] Corporations can be "dissolved" either by statutory operation, order of court, or voluntary action on the part of shareholders. Insolvency may result in a form of corporate failure, when creditors force the liquidation and dissolution of the corporation under court order,[7] but it most often results in a restructuring of corporate holdings. Corporations can even be convicted of criminal offenses, such as fraud and manslaughter. However corporations are not considered living entities in the way that humans are.[8]

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Historically, corporations were created by a charter granted by government. Today, corporations are usually registered with the state, province, or national government and regulated by the laws enacted by that government. Registration is the main prerequisite to the corporation's assumption of limited liability. The law sometimes requires the corporation to designate its principal address, as well as a registered agent (a person or company designated to receive legal service of process). It may also be required to designate an agent or other legal representative of the corporation.[citation needed]
Generally, a corporation files articles of incorporation with the government, laying out the general nature of the corporation, the amount of stock it is authorized to issue, and the names and addresses of directors. Once the articles are approved, the corporation's directors meet to create bylaws that govern the internal functions of the corporation, such as meeting procedures and officer positions.[citation needed]
The law of the jurisdiction in which a corporation operates will regulate most of its internal activities, as well as its finances. If a corporation operates outside its home state, it is often required to register with other governments as a foreign corporation, and is almost always subject to laws of its host state pertaining to employment, crimes, contracts, civil actions, and the like.
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Re: Upset with the Elections? Smoke a joint and relax...
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2012, 03:13:51 PM »
One weak point I see here is that the goods would need to cross other states to reach Colorado and their laws might not be nearly so accommodating.

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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2012, 03:26:58 PM »
>the goods would need to cross other states

Right, I didn't say you could ship from CO to, say, WA; I said as long as the Colorado based Corp that is in possession/trafficking/buying/selling is located in CO... and are selling to people in CO.... everything stays in CO, and is viewed according to CO State Law.

But, yeah, if you try to go outside the State, you'd get into trouble for trafficking, even if you shipped via UPS airfreight from CO to WA.


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« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2012, 03:35:24 PM »
Oh, I guess for those that don't know - CO grows some of the finest weed, mostly indoors. So they don't need to import from California or Mexico or NV or OR or.... just about any State where it's still illegal but grown in abundance.

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« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2012, 06:20:25 AM »
A good read and listen for you DB, very interesting stuff the way its breaking down.

http://www.npr.org/2012/11/13/164981433/legalizing-and-regulating-pot-a-growth-industry

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Re: Upset with the Elections? Smoke a joint and relax...
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2012, 11:31:34 AM »
You'd better get savvy on using bitcoin for transactions, the fed will shut down credit cards on this.

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« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2012, 03:35:42 PM »
>bitcoin for transactions
ahahhah great idea.  

>the fed will shut down credit cards on this
The CCs are going to hate that.... all that money not going through their dirty fingers... they will be beside themselves.

>http://www.npr.org/2012/11/13/164981433/legalizing-and-regulating-pot-a-growth-industry
I'm headed there in a minute... but like I said, I'm not going to go this direction - I already have my hands full.  And as my old high school friend said to me... after he formed his opinion about my PinkGun/NEDG project... 'Say hi to Dante for me'

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