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Re: Don't bank online
« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2024, 03:44:08 PM »
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/more-people-losing-money-on-cash-apps-than-ever-before-012524.html

More people losing money on cash apps than ever before


One of Louise's friends works the the State Employee Credit Union.  About 2 weeks ago, she told Louise not to bank online as they were being deluged daily with customers being defrauded/scammed by cash apps --all of them, but Venmo was currently the worst.  Printed check hijacking was also a daily problem.

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Re: Don't bank online
« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2024, 08:17:40 PM »
>>customers being defrauded/scammed by cash apps

I think you mean "with" or "via" cash apps. There is a different between banking online or using a cash app being unsafe because hackers are intercepting transactions and people are not savvy enough to verify that they are sending money to the right person.

To some extent, you can extend this logic to "Don't use the phone" because lots of elderly, lonely people are defrauded by scammers who use the phone for their scams.

>> Printed check hijacking

And there's the rub. Printed checks are not safe either unless you take measures to protect yourself, namely doing something to ensure chain of custody and having some sort of insurance.

Cleveland postal worker warns against using blue mailboxes due to ongoing theft issues
https://www.cleveland19.com/2023/07/11/cleveland-postal-worker-warns-against-using-blue-mailboxes-due-ongoing-theft-issues/

Those blue USPS mailboxes? Don’t leave your mail in them, postal inspector says
https://www.almanacnews.com/2023/08/03/those-blue-usps-mailboxes-dont-leave-your-mail-in-them-postal-inspector-says/

To some extent all of the Another Online Banking Scam articles are like the self-driving car crash articles.

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Re: Don't bank online
« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2024, 09:55:30 AM »
First ever iOS trojan discovered — and it’s stealing Face ID data to break into bank accounts

https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/malware-adware/first-ever-ios-trojan-discovered-and-its-stealing-face-id-data-to-break-into-bank-accounts

What you need to know about the dangerous Android banking trojan that's been ported to iPhone

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Re: Don't bank online
« Reply #48 on: February 16, 2024, 06:54:21 PM »
Good heads up. But it appears that if you don't install TestFlight and you don't make an MDM profile and give someone access, you're still safe.

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Re: Don't bank online
« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2024, 06:16:59 PM »
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-08-08/zelle-scams-prompt-federal-probe

Zelle scams prompt federal probe of bank efforts to protect customers - Los Angeles Times


https://www.c-span.org/video/?535795-1/scams-zelle-digital-payments-platform

Scams on Zelle Digital Payments Platform | C-SPAN.org


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Re: Don't bank online
« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2024, 06:49:51 PM »
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A J.D. Power survey this year found that 3% of the people who’d used Zelle said they had lost money to scammers, which was less than the average for peer-to-peer money transfer services such as Venmo, CashApp and PayPal.

Interesting that Zelle makes headlines for fraud levels that are lower than Venmo or Paypal.

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« Reply #51 on: August 08, 2024, 08:53:27 PM »
>Zelle makes headlines for fraud levels that are lower than Venmo or Paypal

AND gets a congressional investigation.  The first squawking/posturing I saw was by Sen. Eliz Warren. 

I thought the article provided a good overview of the major players.

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Re: Don't bank online
« Reply #52 on: August 08, 2024, 11:55:54 PM »
Is it because Zelle is considered part of the "banking" system whereas Venmo is thought of as just a... completely nefarious online payments app with one of the worst histories of privacy violations of any app in history?

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Re: Don't bank online
« Reply #53 on: August 08, 2024, 11:57:36 PM »
It's weird though... I frequently see alarmist headlines about Zelle. When I tell people that Venmo had all of Biden's payments publicly online and might have theirs too, they seem a) ignorant and b) completely unconcerned.

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Re: Don't bank online
« Reply #54 on: August 09, 2024, 02:02:41 AM »
>Is it because Zelle is considered part of the "banking" system

Yes. It as seen as 'official' (and therefore secure) since it is offered/promoted by the banks. Someone mentioned to me that they thought it would be covered by the FDIC deposit insurance.

https://www.pnc.com/en/personal-banking/banking/online-and-mobile-banking/zelle.html

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« Reply #55 on: August 10, 2024, 06:09:07 PM »
Well, it can't be covered by the FDIC anymore than a stack of hundred dollar bills can or a fraudulent check can.

People who think it should be covered by the FDIC either don't understand what the FDIC does, what Zelle is or both.

But it raises an interesting point. People maybe have a higher level of trust because it's at the bank, not some separate service. Zelle at my bank has big notices that say something pointing out that this is like giving someone cash and you should only do this if you have verified the identity and you would be comfortable giving this much cash to the person.

Personally, I like Zelle. As far as technical infrastructure, it seems fairly secure AFAIK, it allows free and instant transfers, has excellent privacy protection compared to Venmo (which I flat out refuse to touch). In our neighborhood, because of distance to the stores, people are constantly picking up a few things at the grocery store for us and vice-versa and Zelle is the default payment method for that.

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Re: Don't bank online
« Reply #56 on: August 10, 2024, 06:11:28 PM »
BTW, when I say, "seems fairly secure" I mean that it is essentially as secure as my bank login, which could be better (banks seem stuck on SMS second factor) and it doesn't increase my attack surface by adding a service in addition to my bank. If they can get into my bank, then Zelle is the least of my worries (since it has fairly low daily cap, which means they can't empty the account quickly using it).

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Re: Don't bank online
« Reply #57 on: August 14, 2024, 03:41:12 PM »
https://www.zdnet.com/article/have-you-ever-used-cash-app-you-might-be-eligible-for-a-2500-settlement-payout/

Have you ever used Cash App? You might be eligible for a $2,500 settlement payout | ZDNET