Author Topic: Consumer-grade exoskeleton for walking assistance  (Read 2518 times)

Travoli

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Consumer-grade exoskeleton for walking assistance
« on: May 05, 2024, 10:37:04 PM »
900 watts of walking assistance or resistance, depending on your use case. That's more than my electric bike. Youtube reviews seem to focus on hiking, running, jumping and resistance training, but I think they'd do even better marketing to seniors.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dnsys/dnsys-x1-exoskeleton-unleash-superhuman-athletic-potential


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Re: Consumer-grade exoskeleton for walking assistance
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2024, 11:22:02 PM »
>seniors

*almost* pulled the trigger on that one

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Re: Consumer-grade exoskeleton for walking assistance
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2024, 11:42:29 PM »
>*almost*

What was the deal breaker?

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Re: Consumer-grade exoskeleton for walking assistance
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2024, 12:31:12 AM »
Watching that second video was pretty helpful in understanding how it works.  I wasn't sure it would work at first glance because it transfers the force over to the hip and other leg.  I remember the one being developed for the US army had an exoskeleton that went all the way to the ground so that it carried some of the load.

BTW, did you guys see the Moonwalkers?  Kinda the same thing but different.
https://www.wired.com/video/watch/on-the-go-moonwalkers

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Re: Consumer-grade exoskeleton for walking assistance
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2024, 02:18:19 AM »
No no no. Just no.

This would be potentially great for people who are elderly or in the early stages of MS or Parkinson’s. So many worthy use cases, but superhiker is simply not one of them. There is nobody I know who runs and hikes trails who wants something like this.

If we wanted complex assistive technology, we would be cyclists ;-)

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Re: Consumer-grade exoskeleton for walking assistance
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2024, 03:30:15 AM »
>deal breaker?

Odds are I would never bother using it even if it turned out to be solid tech (which I doubt).

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Re: Consumer-grade exoskeleton for walking assistance
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2024, 03:22:28 PM »
I think the meathead types will embrace the "resistance" mode to help them build up.  And, yes, people with disabilities such as chronic cancer or MS will use this as well.

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Re: Consumer-grade exoskeleton for walking assistance
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2025, 04:08:58 PM »
<mind the gap>

I tried Hypershell's X-series exoskeleton at CES, and it was a fascinating experience | ZDNET

https://www.zdnet.com/article/i-tried-hypershells-x-series-exoskeleton-at-ces-and-it-was-a-fascinating-experience/

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Re: Consumer-grade exoskeleton for walking assistance
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2025, 09:20:06 PM »
Somewhat related - airbags for elders

https://sairbagpro.com/

Looks like the technology has a ways to go though
https://youtu.be/ehl_L0MvQHY?si=V-VSMoL2GugIh2-y&t=491

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Re: Consumer-grade exoskeleton for walking assistance
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2025, 10:30:32 PM »
>Hypershell's X-series

Again marketed to hikers and athletes instead of the elderly walking assist market. Odd.

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Re: Consumer-grade exoskeleton for walking assistance
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2025, 09:15:33 PM »
Again marketed to hikers and athletes instead of the elderly walking assist market. Odd.

I find that usually when you see a disconnect like that, if you can find a "Who We Are" or "About Our Team" photo, it all comes into focus instantly. I remember one app where the fonts were so small it was impossible to use and I thought, "Don't they have anyone over 40 on their team?" When I saw the "Our Team" photo, it looked like they had nobody over 30.

Meanwhile, from the article:  "This isn't for the hardcore athlete, but if you're someone that enjoys a quiet hike in Yosemite, then this is for you as the motors in the Hypershell will offer subtle assistance to your quadriceps and hips as you pace up or down the trail."

The only problem is that most trails in Yosemite and all trails that be considered "quiet" are in Wilderness (aka designated, legal, "capital W Wilderness" as opposed to just a wild place that we call wilderness) which, in a plain reading of the law, would make this illegal. Congress was very careful to address all mechanized transport, not just motor vehicles, which is why the act has been able to respond to new technologies like mountain bikes (which are also illegal in wilderness).

As Congressional Acts are generally a bit general, each agency has to come up with implementation documents. The USFS and BLM both use this language:

"Any contrivance for moving people or material in or over land, water, or air, having moving parts, that provides a mechanical advantage to the user, and that is powered by a living or nonliving power source."

https://winapps.umt.edu/winapps/media2/wilderness/toolboxes/documents/tools/Mechanization%20in%20Wilderness.pdf

So not only would this be a thing that seems more useful to elderly people or people with MS or any number of use cases, the one use case actually envisioned in the article is not allowed under the law.

To be fair, though, the company is based in China and we wouldn't expect them to understand US regulations, so the journalist is the one to blame for the Yosemite comment.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2025, 09:19:33 PM by ergophobe »