Author Topic: The US needs 22m acres for the solar energy transition – what that looks like  (Read 12991 times)

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Does this make sense to you?  It seems more logical to put solar cells on rooftops, parking lots and the like.  Generating the energy closer to where it is consumed is more efficient.  Right now California gets 14% of it's electricity from solar and that's with a small fraction of roofs with solar cells.   .This article seems to be written to make people react with "damn, we better keep burning fossil fuels then", nuclear and alternative renewables aren't even mentioned.

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Agrivoltaics also, another dual use of land that doesn't make the space requirement sound as daunting.

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>Agrivoltaic farming

There's an article posted here somewhere about how well a DE farmer was doing with his early agrivoltaic experiment. 

https://www.mfat.govt.nz/en/trade/mfat-market-reports/germany-agrivoltaics-gets-a-boost-october-2022/

Agrivoltaic farming gets a boost in Germany - October 2022 | New Zealand Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade

(We use Nevada for military bombing ranges, so dual use isn't going to work so well in those areas. hhh)

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Interesting data about rooftop PV potential in the U.S. form NREL:

"The total national technical potential of rooftop PV is 1,118 gigawatts (GW) of installed capacity and 1,432 terawatt-hours (TWh) of annual energy generation. This equates to 39% of total national electric-sector sales..."

https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy16osti/65298.pdf

"First, we use light detection and ranging (lidar) data, geographic information system (GIS) methods, and PV-generation modeling to calculate the suitability of rooftops for hosting PV in 128 cities nationwide—representing approximately 23% of U.S. buildings—and we provide PV-generation results for a subset of these cities. Second, we extend the insights from this analysis of areas covered by lidar data to the entire continental United
States. We develop two statistical models—one for small buildings and one for medium and large buildings—that estimate the total amount of roof area suitable for hosting PV systems, and we simulate the productivity of PV modules on the roof area to arrive at the nationwide technical potential for PV."

"this analysis assumed a module efficiency of 16% to represent a mixture of various technology types."


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>It seems more logical to put solar cells on rooftops, parking lots and the like.

Or, solar roadways. Make sidewalks out of solar panels. https://solarroadways.com/

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>>Agrivoltaic farming

As one who has driven a tractor with implement behind it, driving under a roof to plant things sounds ... difficult. How are the panel towers built to accommodate for turning radius/ height concerns? 

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>difficult

Not sure and perhaps not viable for all forms of crop, or maybe different setups depending on height requirements. I've read that yields can be increased because the shading is beneficial and can help keep the panels cool with the transpiration from below.

With cattle they help prevent vegetation obscuring the panels while the panels provide shade.

I guess there's unavoidably a trade off somewhere.

It sounds like a quickly evolving field (no pun intended) even though the wiki page mentioned the idea of panels/agriculture in 1981. 

I know at least here in the UK that farmers/landowners can be paid for planting forests (for the same carbon goals), and energy generation can be another form of income for them.

The land use argument is definitely one angle I keep seeing from climate change sceptics as littleman interpreted from the article.
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>parking lots

Oy!  Parking lots sounds good for the southern US,  but might not work for snow country up north.  I can just see some plow guy wiping out $200 thousand in solar cells at the Walmart.

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>plow guy wiping out $200 thousand in solar cells at the Walmart.

Or the 4" hail storm we had last Fall.

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We lost a panel to a probably pine-cone strike. To be fair... the sugar pine is the biggest pine in the world and has the biggest cone, weighing up to 3 pounds when full of sap/sugar and, in our case, falling 70 to 120 feet before impacting. They commonly break car windshields too, which if you've ever tried or seen someone try to break one with a hammer, you know how much impact that takes.

But it does have us thinking of taking out the offending sugar pine, which also drops sap everywhere, concerns us for when it strikes a human, and blocks our internet. If we had known what we were getting into, our house would sit 30 feet over from it's current location.

>> plow guy

As a plow guy... unlikely. The parking lot panels I have seen are on solid steel pillars that put the panels above the lot, making a covered parking area. The would more likely obviate the need for plowing at all.

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>parking lots

Oy!  Parking lots sounds good for the southern US,  but might not work for snow country up north.  I can just see some plow guy wiping out $200 thousand in solar cells at the Walmart.

These solar roads are electric and can warm to melt the snow. No need to plow. That being said, they would not do well up by the Arctic circle where it is dark most of the day in the winter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlTA3rnpgzU