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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #60 on: September 15, 2014, 12:11:22 AM »
> I've seen figures ranging from 60-90%, it's something that'd be on the discussion table so not sure why they're stating it as fact. The current UK ratio is lower.

I think they're simply taking the current debt owed by the UK, divided by population, then multiplied by Scottish population. That will be the debt as it stands for Scotland today, but agree there is lots of negotiation to do post vote of Yes wins (in fact even if No wins)

> currency

Agreed

> Whether it's yes or no, there will be radical changes out of this.

Agreed!

There will be huge and radical change throughout the countries whatever the outcome. All of which is bad for the economy in the short to medium term. Markets like stability.
« Last Edit: September 15, 2014, 12:46:49 AM by JasonD »

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #61 on: September 15, 2014, 02:42:34 PM »
>markets

It's good to kick markets, lawyers and definitely bankers out of the comfort zone from time to time.

No matter what some adventure lies ahead and it's going to be interesting.  While it's scary, I am confident that whichever way the vote goes it is going to be fine.

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #62 on: September 15, 2014, 02:44:44 PM »
> kick markets

To a degree, yes :)

One of the bigger concerns I have, if the No vote wins, is the concessions that will be given. Even more power will go to Edinburgh than they currently have (Effectively the previously rejected "devo max" option) with that being further subsidised by the rest of the UK.

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #64 on: September 16, 2014, 12:31:26 PM »
Meanwhile, the UK is offering money and all sorts of incentives as a bribe to stay.  At this rate, if they stay, Scotland will become the new seat of UK power. ...Assuming, of course, that you actually believe political promises are binding.

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #65 on: September 16, 2014, 01:10:17 PM »
"Better together, or else"  :D


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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #66 on: September 16, 2014, 01:11:08 PM »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/leisure/11098848/Betfair-pays-out-early-on-Scottish-independence-No-vote.html

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Betfair is so confident of a "No" vote in Thursday's Scottish independence referendum that it is already paying out to those who have staked money on it.

The online bookmaker says it is paying out a "six-figure sum".

Despite polls ahead of the vote continuing to be close, betting markets have been overwhelmingly in favour of the Better Together camp winning on Thursday.

Betfair said this morning that gambling patterns indicate a 79pc likelihood of a "No" vote.

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #67 on: September 16, 2014, 01:30:27 PM »
>Betfair

I've been impressed by my own casual observations of predictive betting results.

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #68 on: September 16, 2014, 06:44:06 PM »
One of the better explanations I have seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YkLPxQp_y0  Seems to sum it up well.

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #69 on: September 17, 2014, 01:26:41 PM »
Oliver understands YUROPE  ;D
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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #70 on: September 17, 2014, 06:10:21 PM »
My gut feel says a no is going to happen, but who knows who'll have a change of heart (and mind) on the day. The polls indicate a marginal no but the general consensus is that the "undecideds" are just no voters not wanting to appear unpatriotic.

Currency and the economics of it are the sticking point I think. The UK parties are completely unwilling to entertain any idea of a shared currency in the intermediate term. Many seem confused that the vote would result in an SNP government in Scotland when that's not the case. The hard date set for an independence day also looks problematic as any ongoing discussions with the UK could go well past that date.

If anything good comes out of the no, for me, it's the idea that England may get better regional assemblies. And some say the whole question has been divisive to the United Kingdom, I think it's good that people on the street have been talking politics, giving themselves a better idea of how things should be, that it's not something for the grey suits to talk about themselves.

Saying that, it seems like there's the inescapable fact that we're in a globalised economy now and we're shackled to the will of the UK, the EU and beyond. It's depressing... maybe jumping off the economic train is suicidal but an attractive option  :D

I found this rally call admirable, socialist but admirable. Problem is it convinces the hearts of the yes's and the pockets of the no's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBOj1xAu2NQ




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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #71 on: September 17, 2014, 06:30:00 PM »
An amazing speech by an amazing orator with superb imagery to support the speech. Very, very rousing.

I'm about to watch Gordon Brown's speech from today which I understand was the speech of his life as he pushes for No and Unity.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/scottish-independence-watch-gordon-brown-4275811

<edit> the link above is very short - I am now trying this one hoping its the full thing - http://labourlist.org/2014/09/gordon-browns-barnstorming-speech-in-defence-of-the-union/ </edit>
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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #72 on: September 17, 2014, 06:41:11 PM »
wow wow wow wow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J39bBV7CBJk

I've never seen him deliver some power and conviction as this - Gordon Brown, I doff my hat to you.

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #73 on: September 17, 2014, 06:55:23 PM »
Yes, much more compelling than what's been served to date, well-grounded and passionate. The Prime Minister and Alistair Darling sound more like an accountant's summary.

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Re: Scotland's going to go independent
« Reply #74 on: September 17, 2014, 06:57:57 PM »
> accountant's summary

Agreed. I wished they'd pulled GB out much earlier. I truly didn't know the man had it in him. If he was like that as Prime Minister, I am pretty sure he'd still be leading the country