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Where Americans moved in 2024
« on: January 10, 2025, 11:44:27 PM »
Source: Census |Created with Datawrapper

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AAcckkk!!  NC is #2, just behind TX.  Given the differences in populations & physical size, the impact will be stronger in NC.

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Re: Where Americans moved in 2024
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2025, 09:00:12 AM »
I can understand the outflow out of California but I can't understand moving to Florida.  Out of the frying pan into the drink.

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Re: Where Americans moved in 2024
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2025, 01:29:38 PM »
>moving to Florida

No state tax. VERY popular selection for the military to declare as residence but -for military- the IRS does not require them to actually live there.

TX gives out some sort of residency certification with very short times required to actually live in-state each year.  I have a snow-bird friend in my neighborhood who does that. I'm not sure if that option is still available, but he was using his leased RV park address with the IRS 6-7 years ago.


But here's the kicker; Even *with* income taxes, the Carolinas were 150 while TX+FL = 149.  Damn, that's scary.



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Re: Where Americans moved in 2024
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2025, 08:13:08 PM »
>> Out of the frying pan into the drink.

I think all such behavior can be understood by looking at the explosion of big SUV sales every time gas prices drop. You're making assumptions about the decision-making process habits of the average American that I don't think are true.

Iowa is the shocker for me. Why are people leaving Iowa in droves? They lost almost as much population as CA, but on a per capita basis, that is over a 10X rate.

After what is happening in LA, expect that to increase for CA though. Already yesterday we went for a walk with friends and they brought it up. Pretty soon my homeowner's insurance will be as much as my original mortgage, at which point a lot of people will be priced out of owning a home even if they get it for FREE.
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Re: Where Americans moved in 2024
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2025, 03:38:41 AM »
Looking at those actual numbers they are all pretty close to zero.  Just looking at the biggest loser, California, we have -240k which is just a bit more than one half of one percent of 39 million people.  It would be interesting to see birth numbers too.

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Re: Where Americans moved in 2024
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2025, 03:42:57 AM »
2022 fertility rates by state:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/fertility_rate/fertility_rates.htm

Edit, This link puts it all together between 2008 and 2023:
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2024/05/07/population-growth-in-most-states-lags-long-term-trends?pop_map_data_picker=ltg

Looks like almost all states have had a total increase in population during that period, but if you break it down by year the Covid years are quite something.

Edit again:  Looking at the data for "migration" and "natural changes" during recent years it looks like a lot of people in some states died and get replaced by people from other states coming into those areas.   I wonder if the locals in those states are feeling replaced and/or culturally invaded?
« Last Edit: January 12, 2025, 04:03:39 AM by littleman »

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Re: Where Americans moved in 2024
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2025, 11:11:04 PM »
>> replaced and/or culturally invaded?

This is a big thing in Vermont. Population grew rapidly in the 1970s (maybe late 1960s too) and then had another bump in the late 1980s, after which Vermont and then very slow growth until the Covid bump. But you can see this on the attached chart and also in the presidential elections: between Lincoln and Bush 41, VT only voted Democrat once (1964, Johnson) and after Bush 41, Vermont has never voted Republican. Some of that is internal, but a lot of old Vermonters complain about the state politics being hijacked by "newcomers" (meaning people who have only lived there for 50 or so years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elections_in_Vermont

And, of course, the term "Californication" was invented as an epithet and used by people in areas where Californians were moving long before Red Hot Chili Peppers recorded their song. There has long been serious anti-California sentiment in Oregon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Californication_(word)#Oregon

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Re: Where Americans moved in 2024
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2025, 11:39:12 PM »
>locals in those states are feeling replaced and/or culturally invaded?

Our super-rural areas probably remain insulated other than along major highways that cross them.  I'm lucky to live where I do -a hub for the hundred whistle-stop communities around us- but we're large enough to feel a bit of the 'invasion' impact.  It seems to be mostly retirees and remote workers.

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Re: Where Americans moved in 2024
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2025, 11:50:33 PM »
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But we can damn well open a restaurant.  A Texas Roadhouse and Chipotle opened here (in the corn field shopping district) a couple of months ago. They are adjoining and have a HUGE parking lot.  The first couple of weeks the lots were slam full.  Even now, the lots have a lot of cars well past the usual meals times (3pm).

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Re: Where Americans moved in 2024
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2025, 01:38:58 AM »
> Chipotle

A Chipotle opened in the town about an hour away where we do most of our grocery shopping. In the course of construction, they had way way too much dirt delivered or something, so after they opened, there was this 20-foot tall mound there.

A local who has a big local following on FB, posted: "Has anyone climbed mountain outside Chipotle? If so, how long did it take you and what route did you use?" This resulted in someone creating a Mount Chipotle sign in the style of USFS signage, then someone put a Christmas tree on it, then someone dressed in a Grinch suit "stole" the tree and was captured on a "security cam" (a purposely grainy photo by a local pro photographer who staged it). It all blew up from there until there were predictable, Save Mount Chipotle signs. Alas, to no avail. We were there two days ago with all our mountaineering gear ready to livestream our ascent to all both of our social media followers, but Mount Chipotle was gone, destroyed and desecrated all in the name of creating eight more parking places.

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Re: Where Americans moved in 2024
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2025, 10:57:14 PM »
Mount Chipotle: Mound of dirt becomes viral sensation in Oakhurst - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7m1hewHY4U

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What is the phenomenon "Mt. Chipotle" so many are talking about in Oakhurst, California? - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd2GBnXkSlA

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Re: Where Americans moved in 2024
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2025, 01:49:28 AM »
Awesome! I love how the kid describes it as "treacherous" and Larry stipulates that he climbed it free solo and without oxygen.

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Re: Where Americans moved in 2024
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2025, 08:18:11 PM »
Mount Chipotle, RIP