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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #45 on: March 27, 2020, 10:34:51 PM »
Coronavirus Will Change the World Permanently. Here’s How. Politico

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/19/coronavirus-effect-economy-life-society-analysis-covid-135579

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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2020, 11:30:14 AM »
Let's think about the aftermath of this pandemic in terms of global power politics.

Will the US be viewed as a super power after this or as a paper tiger?  Right now we are looking like a paper tiger.

Imagine if the US got into a sustained global war, like World War II.  Do we really have the industrial might we once had for a long term fight?   Or are we more like Russia, lots of weapons, but a weak economy underneath all the guns?

Consider that right now, we can't even produce enough simple, low tech supplies to equip our medical professionals let alone help our closest allies.  Something that we've always been able to do since 1945.  Our hospital ships are sailing to NYC and LA, not to Italy or Spain.

In addition, we don't appear to be in charge of our own domestic situation.  We're winging it, we have no plan and we're shifting course almost daily and the world knows we are winging it.  That does not inspire confidence.

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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #47 on: March 28, 2020, 01:14:55 PM »
Paper tiger.

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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #48 on: March 28, 2020, 01:54:48 PM »

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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #49 on: March 28, 2020, 11:47:02 PM »
>State's rights

NY Gov. Cuomo says Trump has no authority to impose quarantine
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/ny-gov-cuomo-says-trump-has-no-authority-to-impose-quarantine.html

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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2020, 04:29:01 AM »
Politico gets a bunch of thinkers to predict changes.

Honestly, I was disappointed by this. A lot of wishful thinking it seemed to me.

Do we really have the industrial might we once had for a long term fight?

Tough question. Clearly we do not currently. The question is, do we still have the expertise to become a manufacturing giant? I don't know the answer to that. But consider that FDR saw things heating up and started moving the US to more and more of a war footing, prepping the ground, before the US was officially involved.

Ford famously produced a B-29 Liberator every 63 minutes. But the Willow Run plant did not even exist in 1939 when WWII broke out. They broke ground in 1940, began limited component production in 1941, started producing complete aircraft a year or two later, were plagued with quality and production problems into 1943 and finally were up and running at the famous 63 minutes per plane in 1944. And that was 63 minutes per plane, running 24 hours per day, 7 days a week. Roughly 160 bombers per week.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willow_Run#Liberator_production

Hitler and Stalin both thought it would take the US much, much longer to be an important arms manufacturer. Hitler's war plans were predicated on that bet. They were astounded not at the industrial might of the US in 1939, but at how fast it ramped up in just a few years.

So the question isn't whether we have that capacity today but if, faced with a crisis, could we create that capacity by 2025. And actually, I think we *are* facing a crisis, climate change, that is going to need to see a major reallocation of resources and conversion of large sectors of the economy, if not quite on the scale or urgency of defeating Hitler, but we do not have the will to do it.
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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2020, 12:06:19 PM »
We learned a lot from our haphazard industrial mobilization for World War One.  It took us way to long.  We put those lessons to work for World War Two, but we also saw that war coming and had some practice providing Lend-Lease materials to Britain before we were actually in the war.

But we had a deep deep bench back then.  We had typewriter factories that we could convert to making rifles and bayonets.  We had shipyards that still made merchant vessels not just complex naval warships.

But we don't have that deep bench anymore.  Our consumer goods are made elsewhere, and increasingly, designed elsewhere.  Our factories have fallen into ruin.

I agree, it's a matter of will and planning and sacrifice.  If we make goods domestically, they are going to cost more to the consumer.  And cheap consumer goods have become part of the bread and circuses that keep the American public complacent and distracted while Too Big to Fail Business loots the Treasury under our noses.

I'm just not convinced that anyone in Washington is paying attention to any of this even though this is what we pay them to do. 

And part of what I'm pointing out is that the world gets much more dangerous for the US and the West once the blinders come off our enemies eyes and they see we are a paper tiger.  The emperor has no clothes.  Once that happens, and it is happening, it makes those enemies more willing to take risks at our expense.  Stuff they wouldn't dare to do if they thought we were strong.

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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #52 on: March 29, 2020, 04:16:52 PM »
Absolutely. I would say that is all spot on.

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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2020, 01:08:12 PM »
Vasectomies will sky-rocket

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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #54 on: March 30, 2020, 01:27:54 PM »
"those enemies more willing to take risks at our expense."

True BUT don't forget the USA will respond.

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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #55 on: March 30, 2020, 04:28:03 PM »
>vasectomies

Coronavirus leads to global condom shortage; world’s largest producer now considered a ‘critical’ industry

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/coronavirus-leads-to-global-condom-shortage-worlds-largest-producer-now-considered-a-critical-industry.html
 

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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #56 on: March 30, 2020, 09:31:01 PM »

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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #57 on: March 30, 2020, 11:06:22 PM »
"those enemies more willing to take risks at our expense."

True BUT don't forget the USA will respond.

Well, the B-52 didn't do us much good in Vietnam or Afghanistan. It's a potent hammer, but not every problem is a nail. Of course, it's still devastating if we're waging a conventional war against an industrial opponent and we control enough of the skies to fly it. But most conflicts around the world don't fit that profile anymore.

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Re: The changed future after CV-19
« Reply #58 on: March 31, 2020, 12:46:39 PM »
‘A Darwinian approach to federalism’: States confront new reality under Trump - POLITICO
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/31/governors-trump-coronavirus-156875

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