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thesaintv12

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Do you buy content?
« on: November 17, 2013, 05:46:37 PM »
I have had the idea for a little content (initially written content) business floating around for a while.  I think I have spent more money on content than anything else over the years and I really want to offer something 'better'.

I'm going to try and take this from idea to first customer in a month.  I am not sure if I am going to take the route of matching writers with customers and taking a percentage, or manage everything myself, but the ultimate aim is to build something which runs without me, but is so firmly structured and procedural that the quality to the customer remains the highest I can possibly get it, and is the number one priority.

So if you buy, or have bought in the past, I have a few questions -

1. What do you hate most about buying content?

2. Have you found a supplier you are happy with?

3. Have you found one supplier who can deliver everything you need?

4. How much of a factor is price?

5. Do you usually look for quality or quantity?

6. Where do you look when you need to buy content?

Bonus question - Do you want to buy any content?  ;)


Thanks for your help on this.  I'd love to hear any feedback, positive or negative.

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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2013, 07:21:39 PM »
Though I suspect you are mostly asking about established content brokers, I'll give my experience FWIW

>1. What do you hate most about buying content?

In-context pictures. And I know other publishers who have expressed the same.  Text, I can get, but ask for 2 pix to accompany the article and the whole process grinds to a halt.

>2. Have you found a supplier you are happy with?

Yes, but it was my own stable of freelancers.  So, I guess I was my own supplier by your definition.

>3. Have you found one supplier who can deliver everything you need?

I never could find a commercial supplier that could turn out articles comparable to my freelancers.

>4. How much of a factor is price?

I've paid outrageous rates for name-brand authors.  In the end, based on traffic, it seemed to be worth it.

>5. Do you usually look for quality or quantity?

I give an edge to quality because, frankly, the quantity never arrived as promised.

>6. Where do you look when you need to buy content?

I used Craigslist.  Here in the US, there are apparently a massive number of stay-at-home moms that can write. Also, a good number of experienced freelancers are watching CL like a hawk.

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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2013, 04:55:26 PM »
I have bought content. I've also written for hire - everything for scholarly research on grant money (7 books) to dashed off blog posts to people looking for cheapish blog posts.

1 (and 2 actually). What I hate the most.
Quality. Most content I've bought has been disappointing. I've typically paid around $25-$40 per 1000 words, so not total bottom feeding, but it just never really measures up. When I look at places where I've bought some of the content and written some of it myself, my content usually wins on traffic by a huge margin and typically it's much better in terms of traffic quality too.

I also agree about images. When I'm doing the writing, I find that identifying a good image I can afford often takes me longer than the whole 1200-word article. So if I buy and article without an image, I still have a lot of time to invest in many cases.

4. Price
A big factor. At a certain point, I would just pay myself. So whereas a top-notch writer will want $50-$75 per 1000 words, in an area where I have some knowledge I can usually churn out 1000 words in under an hour and half. So if I add all the admin time I spend to tell a writer what I want, edit the copy and so forth, I find that I can't justify going over $40/1000 words (I might if I were hiring a top copywriter who might get 10x that, but I've never had the occasion/budget).

5. Quality vs Quantity
Quality

6. Elance, Writer Access, some content provider whose name escapes me. I have liked Elance. I've found journalists between jobs, book authors and  a husband wife translation team - her English, him French and both highly educated. But back to #1, they were only really good for a first pass before sending the material (a book introduction in French) to my publisher. The editor in chief at the publisher still had tons of corrections, but someone like that is over $100/hour.

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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2013, 06:41:10 PM »
I just took a look at my 'write for me' page, I'm offering $15/article, 750 word minimum. $1/ea for a pix.  Admittedly, this is a low-ball "baiting" offer. I use that to draw more experienced writers to negotiate. If I'm babysitting a new-ish writer, I might go with that rate with the idea that IF I publish 5 or more of their articles, they get a rate increase. (Then another at 10. This worked pretty well.) For mid-level writers, I paid 1 cent/alpha-numeric character. I wrote a macro in ultraedit that would tally the article $$ in a second's time. Very handy. These are generally non-exclusive rights in ANY media, btw.  

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I had a fairly hard time getting writers who truly understood the concept of evergreen.
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2013, 07:27:11 PM »
I had a fairly hard time getting writers who truly understood the concept of evergreen.

I've had trouble finding writers who understand the concept of original (or derivative)

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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2013, 08:42:34 PM »
>original

Dealing in regional tourism, I didn't have too much problem with that for text.  I did sample a couple of writers who worked for the big content mill of that time (can't recall the mill's name. was about 6 years ago.) and their work was rehashed crap.

But as for original images? They stole everything.

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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2013, 10:03:15 PM »
If you want quality, you need to be willing to pay for it.  Not just for the words, but for the research time as well.  If you're not willing to do that, then forget getting something that is original or isn't rehashed.  Because for writers, it just doesn't pay NOT to rehash.

I've been on both ends of it.

From the writer perspective:  I hate that it is expected to churn out awesome quality, but it has to be done in a ridiculously short amount of time. 
I hate when people don't tell me *exactly* what they want and then b###h that they didn't get it. 
I hate that they want awesome but don't want to pay for awesome.  A few cents per word is not going to get you awesome, it is going to get you rehashed sh## because frankly, you're not paying me to do otherwise.

I think that's my biggest b###h:  that most people don't want to pay for quality.  And then b###h when they don't get quality.

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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2013, 12:22:49 PM »
Yea, it's like most things, people just don't understand what's involved.

There's also styles too. Everyone has their own style and it's the job of the buyer to find the style that suits them, not to force the copywriter to write in the style the buyer wants.
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