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Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
« Reply #270 on: April 27, 2022, 08:33:43 PM »
That's why I'm looking forward to my 60s. Apparently 60 is the new 40, so I'm expecting to get fitter, stronger and faster in my 60s.

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Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
« Reply #271 on: April 27, 2022, 08:48:27 PM »
>>> old man like me!   

>You're younger than me, if I recall!

Poor babies!

Other than the known issues, my general health seems very good.  ....But let's not talk about my strength & stamina, that's depressing.

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Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
« Reply #272 on: April 27, 2022, 09:57:11 PM »
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That's why I'm looking forward to my 60s. Apparently 60 is the new 40, so I'm expecting to get fitter, stronger and faster in my 60s.

I like that.. its good.

RC, you're a young man still, thats why your general health is still good.  8)

I guess what you are saying is "Don't compare".

Jason, has his work cut out keeping up with me, just not at drinking beer! 
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Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
« Reply #273 on: April 28, 2022, 12:38:37 AM »
>> Poor babies

Hey, I wasn't complaining about getting old. I was bragging about getting fitter. Whenever I find myself using age as an excuse, I try to rephrase and reframe.

One of the jokes around the house came from hiking Half Dome with Jake (aka bakedjake) a few years ago. I was about 54 or 55 at the time. As we were going up the subdome, some guy quit and was coming down and ranting. He kept saying, "I'm 56! I got nothing to prove!"

That has entered the household lexicon. Anytime I don't feel like doing something, I just say, "I'm 58! I got nothing to prove!" I'm not sure what the first sentence has to do with the second sentence, but it's handy.

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« Reply #274 on: April 28, 2022, 06:40:45 AM »
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"I'm 58! I got nothing to prove!"
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Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
« Reply #275 on: April 28, 2022, 01:47:50 PM »
Still hitting the gym most weekdays. Finally on the back-end of working through some golfers elbow tendinitis from doing 10x10 pullups. It's probably taken a year or better so far and I'm still not 100% but I did some pullups this week, 5x5, for the first time in many months. Now I have a minor back tweak doing deadlifts so just doing stiff-legged deadlifts for now.

I decided to work on my protein intake, 1 gram/day per lb of body weight. I'm 215-220, my trainer says to shoot for 200-250/day. I started with just 200/day maybe 5-6 weeks ago and my muscle growth has really jumped. Side benefit from eating protein all day is I don't crave snacks or junk food nearly as much, almost night and day. The real boon though, has been this causing my blood sugar levels to remain much more consistent throughout the day. Causing far fewer instances of being hangry and mood is considerably more level overall. My weight isn't changing much but my fat is definitely decreasing, slowly but surely. My goal is to see all 6 abs this summer. Right now I have 2pack. lol

Great to hear you guys doing well. RC have you thought about a simple home routine with some dumbbells?

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« Reply #276 on: April 28, 2022, 06:04:18 PM »
>>probably taken a year

I damaged something (bicep/elbow) a few years back and kept reinjuring it. I think I did it by either deadlifting bent arm or trying to catch the weight on the down after power cleans. Anyway, I finally had to go a year and a half without doing pullups and being super careful to fully lock out my elbows during deadlifts.

I'm still pretty bad at pullups, but I'm working on ramping back up too. Mostly, I'm trying to get my "lock off" back. That's where you pull up with both hands, usually hand close, facing opposite directions on the bar and at the top you let go with one hand and try to hold with the other arm and if possible do a controlled lower. Right now, even with a 20-pound counterweight, I still can't fully lock, but I can do a slow, controlled drop with 20-pounds of help.

So far, no bicep pain, but it has been a long road.

>> protein

I'm on a low-protein, low-sugar diet... that's not the goal, but more an unfortunate (in the case of protein) or fortunate (in the case of sugar) consequence. I've been experimenting with diet just the last few days, above all trying to avoid FODMAP foods, but also others that I think are problematic. RC and, more relevantly since we share genetics, my sister have both mentioned this. Too early to tell, but I have finally decided my digestive system has some issues that are worth exploring. Interestingly, though my gut feels no better or worse, I have slept better the last couple of nights.

>> hangry

Have you ever tried fasting? I used to regularly have what a friend called "food emergencies" where I would just start to crash without food. I did a two-day fast a few years ago sort of by accident (stomach felt off and so I just didn't eat for two days). I also started doing a morning run in a fasted state, again not for some ideology, but just because it was the easiest way to fit it in. Strangely, though, after that, no more hangry for a really long time. Even a few years down the line, I'm much better than I was. I can now go for a two-hour run and not feel calorie-starved when I'm done. I usually crave a glass of water cut with a quarter cup of juice (before the low-FODMAP diet anyway), but otherwise not starved.

It sounds like you're doing well on the plan you're on an you probably don't want to fast if you're lifting frequently. Still, you could try a Saturday night to Monday morning fast. That would not hurt your recovery and might give a nice additional boost to the blood-sugar management.

BTW - when I was younger, I would occasionally go hiking for the weekend without food and fast the whole time, just to see if I could do it, as a sort of mental training/toughening. Those fasts did not seem to help at all with the hangry thing, but I suspect that's because the rest of my diet all the other days was not conducive.

>> all 6 abs this summer

Sounds pretty reasonable based on everything you're doing. I think that's usually around 9-10% body fat for most men. That's a good level. I hope to get there this summer too... but I hope that every summer.

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Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
« Reply #277 on: April 29, 2022, 12:40:47 AM »
I'm still doing my home routine with dumbbells and a floor mat.  I just can't see going back into a gym in the foreseeable future, I do miss it in some ways though.  I temporarily stopped my night walks because my left foot got a nagging ache on it's heal -- it might be plantar fasciitis, but it seems to be getting better.

My elevated SHBG is being treated with a small injection of testosterone every other week.  The idea there is not to replace my natural production which is in normal range, but instead the exogenous testosterone decreases SHBG production.  I don't understand how this happens, but it does. 

My current weight is 195 lbs., I'd like to be at 190 lbs. this Summer.

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Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
« Reply #278 on: April 29, 2022, 01:05:52 AM »
>diet

Extended family member I visited last week:  380#, T2 diabetic (for decades), 84yo male who had been taking insulin shots went on keto a couple of months ago.  2 weeks ago, his doctor took him off all blood sugar meds because he was no longer diabetic.  We were, in Rupert's term, gobsmacked.

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He's lost 30#

>fodmaps

That's travoli's territory, I've just been following his lead.
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Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
« Reply #279 on: April 29, 2022, 04:32:07 AM »
>> shoot for 200-250/day

What kind of protein(s)? Meat, dairy, vegetable, mixture?

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« Reply #280 on: April 29, 2022, 04:16:04 PM »
>> shoot for 200-250/day

Also, do you find it hard to eat that much protein?  I suppose it would be easier if you had a lot of shakes, but in natural form that's a lot of meat.  Even with shakes, if I have 40 grams in one meal I'll get really sleepy in the coming hours as my body works on breaking it down.

>T2 diabetic (for decades), 84yo male who had been taking insulin shots went on keto a couple of months ago.

I wish my dad had the discipline to do this.

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« Reply #281 on: April 29, 2022, 09:44:37 PM »
The pullups were a bit rough after the fact this week. Trainer said I should do them about every 3 weeks for now. I did use the assisted pullup machine today for some light, slow negatives to try to help things along. That lock sounds super tough. I'll have to give it a try when I'm healed up.

>Have you ever tried fasting?
Not in a while. Food for thought (heh), though. Thanks.

>I think that's usually around 9-10% body fat for most men.
Oh god I hope not. I'm not sure I want to be that lean, or do what needs to be done to get there, rather. I'm 15.5% now and shooting for 12%.

>elevated SHBG
I've been on TRT for about 2 years. I started with pills to create more naturally and that stopped working a few months ago. I'm now on injections and finally getting close to the right dosage. It's been a tough period to sort out and blood sugar being more level has helped a ton.

>no longer diabetic
Wow! That's awesome, didn't know that could be reversed so quickly.

>What kind of protein(s)? Meat, dairy, vegetable, mixture?
It's a bit of struggle, or will be to get to 250. I have a protein shake for breakfast (30g), late morning shake, and late afternoon shake for a total of 90. I usually eat either three bean burritos plus trail mix, greek salad with grilled chicken breast, or hamburger steak with slaw and piece of cornbread for lunch. Each of those are around 30-35, so I'm at about 120-125 before dinner. Dinner meals are usually healthy blue-apron kits with 30-35 give or take. A few hours after dinner I have yogurt with 25g and some fruit for a late dessert followed up by a 20g protein bar, close to bedtime for overnight muscle feeding.

My plan for the next level to go to 250 more often is some grilled steak after dinner, before yogurt. Trying to work up that appetite, and it's not happening yet.

>Even with shakes, if I have 40 grams in one meal I'll get really sleepy in the coming hours as my body works on breaking it down.
My understanding is your max protein per shake should be 30g every 2 hours or your body isn't fully absorbing it. Haven't really had any sleepy or slowdown issues that I've noticed unless I have a lot of carbs at lunch, like mexican food where I'll eat a basket or two of chips with salsa.

>Also, do you find it hard to eat that much protein?
Now that it's become a habit and I feel better throughout the day, it's been fairly easy. That extra 50 though, I'm not sure. My trainer did say to shoot for 200-250, so if I can hit it a couple days a week and nothing below 200, I'll probably be set.

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« Reply #282 on: April 29, 2022, 10:50:06 PM »
My friend who trains high-level strength athletes - olympic-style lifters (his own wife was third in the world in masters olympic lifting at one point), Crossfit Games competitors - recommends 1gm per pound for older athletes (a bit less for younger athletes who absorb/utilize it better). Some of that needs to be easily available (so meat, greek yogurt, whey shakes, that sort of thing), but he would count all the protein in tortillas or rice or whatever.

250gms for a 200-pound athlete sounds like a lot.

Funny anecdote - said friend tried to get back into rock climbing a few years ago and realized he was going to have to lose 50-60 pounds of muscle to get climbing fit again. He was huge, but all that extra weight was a killer. He had gone from 170 to 250 pounds at very very low bodyfat.

My wife has taken on a trainer and it's helping a lot. I decided to get in the act. I'm taking on a trainer too. We start next week. Tomorrow is his birthday. He will be turning 9 years old. But he is bouldering V8. 40 years ago, that would be among the hardest routes in the world. This is payback for ski lessons and playing catch with him over the years. We'll see how his coaching skills are.

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Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
« Reply #283 on: October 06, 2022, 04:14:09 PM »
How's everyone doing?

I've gotten really inspired by the historic trail running season of Kilian Journet this year, which ranks among the great athletic achievements in any sport ever, and the record breaking run of Eliud Kipchoge (new world record of 2:01:09 two weeks ago in Berlin). I've been running quite a bit and also binge-listening to running podcasts.

Now that it's getting cooler, looking to do more climbing in the autumn, but that's been minimal the last month.

I have a goal for the season - this one particular trail in 59 minutes. All my running has resulted in taking 3 minutes off my previous time which still puts me 3 minutes over my goal. That probably sounds easy to a non-runner, but 5% is a lot and it's asymptotic. Still, it gives me motivation to get stronger (it's a short, steep, rocky run - so it places a premium on strong legs, which you can change, and VO2max which you mostly cannot change unless you're untrained to start with).

>>SHBG

How is that going? In my reading and podcast listening, I have been seeing that mentioned a fair bit, but I have not been paying attention. Forgot that it was mentioned here. I gather that it tends to rise with age, binds up free testosterone and I thought maybe there were some mentions of lifestyle options (I don't recall - diet? type of exercise?) that can affect it, but not sure about the latter.

From all I read, my endurance training focus is probably bad for testosterone levels... but I do really love endurance activity.

Also been monitoring HRV lately with Elite HRV. No big insight, but after a hard day on Tuesday, bad night's sleep, I woke up yesterday tired and the HRV was in the tank. Slept a bunch last night. Woke up feeling great. HRV had recovered nicely. I didn't need a high-tech measure to tell me that though. So I'm not sure it adds any useful info.

On the other hand, Kilian self-diagnosed with Covid based on his HRV dropping, even though it took three days more for testing to show positive. So it can be a leading indicator.


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« Reply #284 on: October 06, 2022, 05:58:37 PM »
>How's everyone doing?

I have a couple of stupid injuries right now that have kept me from working out for about a month.  My left foot has plantar fasciitis which is surprisingly stubborn and taking a long time to heal.  I've had that for about six months but have just been working around it.  My newer injury is in my left wrist, I have no idea how I got it, but it seems to have something to do with my thumb.  If I extend my thumb to far or bend my wrist downwards it lets me know it isn't happy with that.  I've been wearing a wrist brace and slowly things are getting better. 


[SHGB] How is that going?

I am currently getting 100mg of testosterone cypionate injected once a week. That level elevated my total testosterone to a bit out of normal rang, but put my free testosterone is right at where it should be.

>lifestyle options

I spent about a year pursuing that.  I tried to increase my carbohydrates to see if it would bring my SHGB down, but it didn't work. 

>my endurance training focus is probably bad for testosterone levels.

Long term ibuprofen use may be a contributor to hypogonadism in endurance athletes as well.