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ergophobe

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Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
« Reply #345 on: December 27, 2023, 05:26:06 PM »
PSA from Dan John: "About two weeks after New Years is the best time to buy lower end gym equipment."

https://medium.com/@danjohn84123/building-your-home-gym-d1a4404b7573

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Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
« Reply #346 on: January 01, 2024, 09:36:50 PM »
Speaking of rep ranges.... 2016 and 2021 research papers show that for most regular people, high reps can lead to similar gains in hypertrophy and maybe even strength differences are not that great.

Of course, actual strength athletes training to hit a 1-rep-max have to train for that and thus need to lift heavy with low reps, but for most people, especially those who are relatively untrained, even 25 reps will result in gains as long as it is done to exhaustion. That can get pretty tedious working in those rep ranges though.

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Thus, as a matter of principle, there is no ideal “hypertrophy zone.” From a practical standpoint, however, a case can be made that moderate loads provide the most efficient means to achieve muscle development given that light load training involves performing many more repetitions compared to the use of heavier loads, which in turn increases the time spent training. Moreover, the high levels of metabolic acidosis that accompany the use of light loads tends to cause discomfort [81], which in turn can negatively impact adherence. Alternatively, evidence suggests that heavy load training requires more sets to achieve comparable hypertrophy to moderate loads.  Not only is this inefficient from a time standpoint, but the combination of heavy loads with high training volumes heightens joint-related stresses and increases the potential for overtraining.... Overall, there is a paucity of studies carried out in women on the topic. Given evidence that women possess a greater capacity to resist fatigue [87], it is conceivable there may be sex-specific differences in adaptations across the repetition continuum.

Review article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7927075/

Also, a study (this is the popular press version; I didn't go back to the original paper)
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"Fatigue is the great equalizer here," says Stuart Phillips, senior author on the study and professor in the Department of Kinesiology. "Lift to the point of exhaustion and it doesn't matter whether the weights are heavy or light."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160712094259.htm

Generally speaking, this is good news for those of us who might have some years on the joints and don't want to run all the risks of lifting toward our 1RM.
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Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
« Reply #347 on: January 03, 2024, 01:53:14 PM »
Speaking of rep ranges.... 2016 and 2021 research papers show that for most regular people, high reps can lead to similar gains in hypertrophy and maybe even strength differences are not that great.

Of course, actual strength athletes training to hit a 1-rep-max have to train for that and thus need to lift heavy with low reps, but for most people, especially those who are relatively untrained, even 25 reps will result in gains as long as it is done to exhaustion. That can get pretty tedious working in those rep ranges though.

I have my own rep range;

Yesterdays target was the chest

    Dumbbell benchpress
    • Warm up - very light weight 6KG - 3 sets of 20 reps
    • 10KG - 3 sets of 10 reps
    • 14KG - 3 sets of 10 reps
    • 16KG - 3 sets of 10 reps
    • 20KG - 2 sets of 8 reps
    • 24KG - 1 set of 8 reps
    • 26KG - 1 set of 8 reps
    • 30KG - 1 set of 6 reps
    • 36KG (my max) - 1 set of 3 reps
    • 16KG till failure

    No science, just what works for me - it was recommended by my brother-in-laws brother

    I then did an incline dumbbell press and then dumbbell raises - similar sort of pyramid setup

    Then a chest finisher with dumbbell benchpress and dumbbell raises using 8KG weights, 6 reps alternating between the two exercises until I couldn't do anymore.

    Note* I could probably hit 40 or even 42KG (on the benchpress) and do 2 or 3 reps but I've seen some nasty injuries which I want to avoid at all costs! People just pusing to hard because they think they have to!
    Note** Stiff shoulders, chest and arms today - plenty of protein and water to repair and rebuild the chest area

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    Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
    « Reply #348 on: February 02, 2024, 10:16:45 PM »
    That's a lot of volume! 19 sets per exercise sounds like a big mental load as much as physical.

    Are you doing all those straight through?

    Buckworks, how is the strength training going?

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    Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
    « Reply #349 on: February 03, 2024, 09:23:44 PM »
    I am not managing to train as often as was suggested here but even so, every once in a while I feel ... different. In a good way. Hard to describe.

    My hand weights are a couple of pounds, and I found some ankle weights which I haven't used yet.

    My main goal is to get stronger on stairs. Not feeling that yet.

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    « Reply #350 on: February 04, 2024, 11:44:36 PM »
    One of the cardinal principles of training is "specificity." In other words, if you want to get better at running, the best training is running. If you want to get better at flying trapeze, the best training is flying trapeze. Thus, if you want to get better at stairs...

    This makes obvious sense I'm sure, but you can think of it like music. Playing viola will improve your viola the most. But playing violin will be better than not playing and may teach you a new thing about the viola. Piano will have less value than violin, but might help you rethink some things about the viola and let you work on other things. So if you have limited time to keep up your viola skills, you would want to spend all that playing viola. But if, say, your shoulders or fingers are getting too tired for viola but you want to spend more time playing music, the piano might be an option.

    Another cardinal principle is "progressive overload." That means that you want to overload the system you're working (so in this case, primarily your leg strength). So rather than just climb stairs, put on a backpack and throw a few liters of water in it and climb some stairs. Next week, add another liter. And so on. Think of this somewhat like playing scales. No musician dreams of being really good at scales, but if you want to get truly fluent with the instrument, you have to do some scales.

    You can add other challenges. Practice stepping off a stair as slowly as possible, controlling the speed at which you step down. This is called "eccentric loading" and is a special challenge for the muscles (and can get you real sore if you overdo it). The next level would be to slowly descend but just do a heel tap without weighting the heel, just touching, then reversing back up. I actually have our favorite mutual friend doing these to try to fix some knee issues. I don't know enough about music to come up with an analogy there. I think this is basically just playing scales in different keys.

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    Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
    « Reply #351 on: February 05, 2024, 12:22:25 AM »
    >> have to do some scales

    Side comment: When I was a teenager, there was a fellow in the violin section of my city's youth orchestra whose father made him "earn" his TV watching time with music practice. If he wanted to watch an hour-long show, he had to pay for it with an hour of violin practice, ahead of time. He could bank the time; it didn't have to all be on the same day. He ended up as one of our best violinists .... and he also became very, very selective about what shows were worth watching!

    >> Piano will have less value

    Much musical learning happens inside the head, not just the fingers, so there can be considerable transfer of skills between piano and other instruments, or voice. Developing one's sense of rhythm, developing one's ear for harmony and tonality, understanding different genres, reading music, etc..

    It's all good.

    >> leg strength

    In our area right now things are so icy that even a short walk is treacherous. Maintaining balance to avoid falling is paramount.

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    Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
    « Reply #352 on: February 07, 2024, 05:23:55 PM »
    Exactly. I saw that with T learning guitar after a life of playing piano and viola (did you know she was a viola player through high-school orchestra?). Her musical ability gave her a huge leg up compared to me, for example. Nevertheless, a few months of playing the guitar regularly and she was still way behind where she was on piano.

    Very similar with physical activity. Stairs are the best thing for stairs. Squats and hill sprints can still make you a monster on stairs. Curls and shoulder presses will have minimal carryover, but not zero.

    And much of it is actually "inside the head" or, more accurately, inside the nervous system generally, both central and peripheral. At our ages, most strength gains come from neurological gains (learning how to recruit muscle) than from actual muscle building. After age 40, adding muscle is very hard and it gets harder each year (this from Don Layman, the premier researcher on muscle protein synthesis - half the other experts in the field were students of his).

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    Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
    « Reply #353 on: February 07, 2024, 06:18:50 PM »
    I've made a trail in my pasture that I walk with my dogs. It's nice. One of these days I might run it. :)

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    Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
    « Reply #354 on: February 07, 2024, 11:32:49 PM »
    >> she was a viola player

    Hah! No wonder we liked each other! :-)

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    Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
    « Reply #355 on: February 09, 2024, 08:57:10 AM »
    That's a lot of volume! 19 sets per exercise sounds like a big mental load as much as physical.

    Are you doing all those straight through?

    I have modified slightly as I was struggling to much on my heavier weights - I pretty much warm up on the 10KG / 14KG sets and then go straight to 18KG and go up in similar fashion!

    I've seen a lot of horror stories with muscles and tendons being torn so I am still not hitting my PBs across all exercises - I can feel I have another 5% - 10% across all exercises but I am conciously not hitting them until I feel comfortable to do so..

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    Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
    « Reply #356 on: March 05, 2024, 09:41:42 AM »
    One of my go-to healthy meal options when I am in a bit of a rush with not much to spend in the kitchen is roasted veg with feta and steak. The local supermarket does the veg in a simple ready to go bag.

    Butternut, Baby marrow, Red onion, Red/Green pepper and Rosemary - in the oven for 40 minutes then when it's fresh out of the oven crumble feta and toss it through... then a medium sirloin steak.

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    « Reply #357 on: March 05, 2024, 03:52:57 PM »
    My scale is reporting the same number but a few days ago I put on a pair of slacks that I hadn't worn for a while and the non-elastic waist was Too Loose. I'll have to take them in a bit.

    I had mixed feelings about that because I wanted to wear my "power suit" that day and couldn't!

    I'm chugging on with my little routine, still mostly indoors. I am sooooo ready for spring!

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    Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
    « Reply #358 on: March 05, 2024, 06:51:38 PM »
    Figured I would throw in here.

    Since the beginning of the year I have been getting back into weight lifting at the gym. Been going 3 times a week consistently. I try to do squats and bench presses (or some variation of that) every time I go and then mix in a handful of other lifts (leg press, tricep work, curls, core stuff, pull downs, rows, etc.) and I have started deadlifts too.

    My probably unachievable goal is the 1000 lb club (1000 combined squat, deadlift, and bench). I haven't tried any PRs yet but I have hit 205 on the squat with 5 reps, 135 on bench with 5 reps, and 215 deadlift with 5 reps. If I just did one rep I could probably hit 600 combined. 1000 pounds will be a pretty big stretch and not sure how long it will take to get there but it will be a pretty big milestone to hit. When I first started in January 135 lb squats were brutal and my bench was only 95 lbs so there has been some decent progress so far. Not sure if I can hit 800 by mid-summer but that is what I am shooting for.

    And golf season is starting so I will get a lot of walking in there. I have tried using the cardio machines and have tried running in the past but I get bored with that really quick. But I could walk 10 miles on the golf course and still want to do more.

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    Re: Core continuing commitment to health and fitness
    « Reply #359 on: March 06, 2024, 09:37:54 PM »
    My scale is reporting the same number

    I thought of mentioning this earlier, but I didn't want to divert from the conversation on your strength journey, but... the number on the scales is one of the worst metrics of health and fitness and "losing weight" is typically a bad goal. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!!

    A better goal is losing fat if you have too much fat (and most of us do, though there are people who need to gain fat to reach optimal health).

    One great thing about your weight loss is that you did it very gradually, which means that your weight loss was probably overwhelmingly fat loss. That's a good thing. It is MUCH easier to lose a pound of fat than to gain a pound of muscle.

    Many crash diets actually result in losing more than one pound of muscle for every pound of fat lost. Your body essentially eats its own muscle protein in order to fuel the processes elsewhere that require protein (like making blood cells and replacing cells in the heart, which are not optional, whereas skeletal muscle is).

    All that to say that if your weight is the same, but your waist size is shrinking (or wherever it was you had to take in the pants), then CELEBRATE!

    If you *gain* two pounds without the pants getting tighter, then celebrate again.

    As we go into our older age, maintaining muscle is vitally important. Didn't you say you lost ONE HUNDRED pounds? Quick double check

    gradually lost a hundred pounds.

    I haven't seen you in a long while, but I would guess that after 100 pounds of weight loss which probably was mostly fat but probably involved some muscle loss (in general, if you go into calorie deficit you go catabolic and lose muscle unless you are both taking a lot of protein and doing strength work), adding muscle is probably more important for your long-term health now than losing fat, even if you haven't reached that pre-pregnancy weight yet.

    So all in all, steady weight and shrinking waist is exactly the outcome you would hope for. Given how hard it is to add muscle at 70, you should give yourself several pats on the back.