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Re: Day Trading
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2020, 12:43:30 PM »
A decade ago, an elder in my extended family lost his entire retirement fund day-trading.

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Re: Day Trading
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2020, 01:18:52 PM »
Flash Crash 2010?
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Re: Day Trading
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2020, 02:06:32 PM »
>2010

No. I'm not privy to all the details but, IIRC, he just kept 'betting' over a fairly long period --maybe over 2 years or more.  At first, he had minor gains ...then he went quiet.  Next I heard he was bust.  He's now entering his 80s and has to work every day.

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Re: Day Trading
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2020, 03:16:31 PM »
That is sad. It's sad to see a young kid get pulled in and manipulated by shady marketing into trading on margin.

In 9th grade, after the WWI unit, Mrs Hedlund, our history teacher set up a stock market and allowed everyone to trade on 10% margin. I actually started out with the least amount of money. Having little to lose, I bought the cheapest stock and traded on max margin until a big run up gave me a nice pile of money in stock. I cashed out and bought the blue chips. Others, seeing my success, purchased the growth stock on margin... despite the fact that we were by now starting to study the Great Depression. Hello kids! Of course, we got to the Crash of 1929 and all the people on margin were wiped out.

Even though I ended up as the richest in the class, it was pretty clear even at 14 that was the result of luck and a gamble one should not take with real money. Thanks Mrs Hedlund. Lesson learned. It was great pedagogy.

The flip side to this is a family I know has kept on their feet as business has declined. The wife (a careful, savvy, smart person) has been making more day trading on the volatility of the market than they were making doing their other work before Covid. She's been day trading for a long time as a supplement and then primary income, so she has a lot of experience. For those who know what they're doing, all the volatility has been a boon.

For me, I have not purchased an individual stock for a day trade or a long trade since the last century.
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Re: Day Trading
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2020, 09:37:57 PM »
>The wife (a careful, savvy, smart person) has been making more day trading on the volatility of the market than they were making doing their other work before Covid.

Could you talk about her method a bit, or get her to talk about it?  One thing I've been doing during the pandemic is learning about options.  Yes, I know how options could be quite dangerous, but applied the right way they can actually lower risks and lower the costs of buying and exiting stocks.

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Re: Day Trading
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2020, 05:47:44 AM »
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For those who know what they're doing, all the volatility has been a boon.
That what I hear

A friend of mine has been doing it for 30 years.
He has in his time made millions.
Right now he is living off next to nothing

There is more to the story than that of course, and if I had a spare £10k I would give it to him right now.

But I would be sure I could only loose £10k, and thats the rub.
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Re: Day Trading
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2020, 08:26:40 PM »
“Rather than buying assets at valuations stunningly decoupled from underlying corporate and economic fundamentals, investors should think a lot more about the recovery value of their assets,” he said, pointing to a “new generation” of traders pushing stocks relentlessly higher.

It’s time for investors to stop buying stocks that are ‘stunningly decoupled’ from reality, economist warns
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/its-time-for-investors-to-stop-buying-stocks-that-are-stunningly-decoupled-from-reality-economist-warns-2020-07-14

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Re: Day Trading
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2020, 09:57:50 PM »
>stop buying stocks that are ‘stunningly decoupled’ from reality

How does this period feel compared to 2000 euphoria? A reversion to pre-covid valuations seems unlikely, given all the printing. Could it really be that "This time it's different" because of the fed/treasury?

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Re: Day Trading
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2020, 04:57:28 AM »
Could it really be that "This time it's different" because of the fed/treasury?

I know, I'm the guy who said this wouldn't be as bad as the Great Depression, but that is based on how completely off the charts the Great Depression was, not on the assumption that everything will be awesome for the foreseeable future.

People who look to history as a guide to the future tend to overestimate either difference or similarity. Whenever you hear someone say, "History repeats itself," or "This time is different," what they said right before or say right after is very likely to be wrong. So no, the Great Depression probably won't "repeat itself."  And no, it is not likely that all precedent can be thrown out the window and ignored "this time."

If you want to know how hard it is to predict the future, consider how much disagreement historians have about that past, and that has actually happened already.

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Re: Day Trading
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2020, 03:02:52 PM »
Trader Talk: Traders say the sell-off was overdue, has more to go: ‘Robinhood traders need to get burned a bit’

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/03/trader-talk-whats-next-for-markets.html

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Re: Day Trading
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2020, 04:27:00 PM »
'Deep regrets' — Billionaire admits he lost $41 million daytrading stocks - MarketWatch

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/deep-regrets-billionaire-admits-he-lost-41-million-daytrading-stocks-11599574843