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Re: Life choices and health
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2017, 04:50:10 PM »
>POA isn't applicable yet in my situation.  
>My dad is only 73 and for all his bad choices he's far from senile.

My mom was 76 and still a feisty, self-made business woman. When it came to her health, she made incredibly hard, austere decisions about exercise & diet (controlled Type 2 with diet for a decade).  A year later, I'd be on deck in full emergency mode handling her affairs through that one, hard-fought POA.

Actuarially speaking: Roll out the mortality tables and deduct the standard 5-7 years for bad lifestyle. That puts a man in the US dying around 74-75.  Deduct the average stay in a nursing home (3 years), and....

Brad: You won't have time to do it later.

In fact, you won't legally be able to do it later.

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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2017, 05:13:15 PM »
Littleman, get your Dad juicing in addition to his normal meals. Don't juice celery (high in sodium).

Rupert, your Lucy may want to try Turmeric capsules for antiinflamatory help, i've turned a few people on to these and they all swear by them now :

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01D8QCI2U/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

They have gone up 50% in price since September 2016, these are the same amounts but cheaper :

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Turmeric-Curcumin-Capsules-Supply-Health/dp/B06X91219V/ref=sr_1_7_s_it?s=drugstore&ie=UTF8&qid=1509556191&sr=1-7&keywords=turmeric+capsules

Ideally she should juice turmeric root, my Lucy's brother-in-law grates it over everything.
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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2017, 05:13:38 PM »
>POA

My dad has a spouse too.

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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2017, 05:20:18 PM »
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People will blame anything and everything but themselves. And sometimes they'd be right.

That deserves repeating! Health issues are NOT moral issues, but far too often we treat them as if they were.

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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2017, 05:20:42 PM »
>juicing

Thanks for the suggestion.  Oddly, he does have to be careful about his vegetable intake from here on out.  Apparently vitamin K interferes with blood thinner he has to stay on so that his heart could pump properly.

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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2017, 05:26:30 PM »
>spouse

Complicates the issue, certainly.  Probably have cross-POAs like Louise & I do. (Yes, you need them within your household. Pay particular attention to kids when they reach 18. HIPA and the Med community won't pay much attention to you as parents of a legal adult.)

Here's the hard part; is a spouse strong enough to act as an advocate when it gets to crunch time? Will they pull the plug?  Probably not.  They'll emotionally abdicate to others, usually the oldest child, but the paperwork won't be there.

>And sometimes they'd be right.

And they may be sub-consciously or intentionally ending their life by sidestepping the legal, moral, and religious problems.  Apparently, dialysis clinics deal with this a lot.  
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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2017, 05:36:45 PM »
>juicing

Thanks for the suggestion.  Oddly, he does have to be careful about his vegetable intake from here on out.  Apparently vitamin K interferes with blood thinner he has to stay on so that his heart could pump properly.

My pleasure, i'm a bit of a nutritoin-nut.

List of fruit & veg high in sodium :

https://www.livestrong.com/article/274237-high-sodium-vegetables-fruits/
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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2017, 05:39:01 PM »
>Health issues are NOT moral issues

Damn, that's a tough subject for me.  Generally, I'd agree with you but so many health problems come from willful self-destructive behavior.   I know there are often underlying psychological conditions, and until people overcome them than they are basically prisoners of their vices.  Still, it is very hard not to be judgmental when you're watching someone perform mental back-flips to justify their behavior.

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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2017, 05:41:12 PM »
Thanks for the link.

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« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2017, 07:08:56 PM »
Tumeric... it was a regular on the table here for a short while..... thanks for the bump.
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« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2017, 08:29:54 PM »
Damn, that's a tough subject for me.

Me too. I didn't claim I was *good* at it, just that I believe it to be true because where you draw the line is arbitrary (glass houses problem) and, as Bucky said, often counter-productive. And with one step of remove to examine my own habits, I realize that I typically have no grounds for getting moralistic.

As a trivial, somewhat embarrassing, example, I watch people throw their glass bottle in a garbage can right next to a glass recycling can and my first impulse is to get all moralistic... until I take a second to think about how minor this is in the overall scheme of things and about my own habits and realize that from the perspective of someone from 200 years ago, my behavior and the bottle-thrower's behavior are indistinguishable.

And yes, okay, I'm generally healthy. But I really enjoyed the brownie and ice cream I had at dessert yesterday. If it turns out in 10 years that I'm diabetic, is that because of my many and vast moral failings earlier in life?

So I get the reaction and I also understand the pain of seeing someone engage in self-destructive behavior. But in addition to the "glass houses problem," I watched for decades while my mother made my father feel guilty for his eating, which made him stressed out which made him want to eat more. It was so counterproductive.
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« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2017, 06:23:52 PM »
The POAs I've seen have a "down the line" thing to them. 

So, the first POA for husband is (wife's name).  IF she is not able, then,
followed by (First kid's name).  If he/ she is not able, then
followed by (Second Kid's name.)

If nothing else, go to the bank and have checking accounts/ money accounts have a "next of" line in them.  You can do that at any time and is free.  (More for a will type situation.)




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« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2017, 06:30:22 PM »
The other day, my dad, at 69 years of age, hippity hopped and jumped to the top of a bulk bag of seed without any trouble.  (Bulk bags hold 2000 pounds and are about 5 feet tall.)

And I thought,"Damn.  My Dad is going to be 70 in December.  Look at him go!"

I feel very fortunate he is so healthy.

Norm, his hired man, will outlive us all.  Two Januarys ago, he was in the seedhouse bagging seed by himself in 20 degree weather.  (To do this, one must hoist 55 pound bags of seed and put them on a pallet.)  We didn't know this at the time, he just wanted to get out of the house.

The next day, he went in for a routine doctor's visit and was admitted to the hospital to undergo a PENTA pass (5-bypass of the heart.)

Six months later, he was good as new and still helps us bag seed and work in the seedhouse.  You'd never know anything was wrong with him.

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« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2017, 08:33:08 PM »
Years ago Mom wrote up a living will and made me executor with all kinds of instructions. Gave me banking and investment account authorization and access. It was a grim thing/event for me but glad she did it.

Pops on the other hand....