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Re: One For Dogboy and Mivox.. The True meaning of sledding
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2010, 02:56:16 AM »
Fair enough... hehehe Everyone up here calls them snowmachines, everyone outside Alaska seems to call them snowmobiles, and "sled" is the only term I know that works cross-border. hehe

Outsider: "Snowmachine? What's a snowmachine? Is that so you can make snow if you don't have enough?"
Me: "*argh* Snowmobile. Sled. Whatever. You know what that means, right?"

That dog picks up some good speed, doesn't he? lol
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Re: One For Dogboy and Mivox.. The True meaning of "Dog" sledding
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2010, 03:51:20 AM »
Ha, yes, snow machines are what you find on the ski slopes. 

I should have titled it The true meaning of Dog sledding"
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Re: One For Dogboy and Mivox.. The True meaning of sledding
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2010, 09:10:31 AM »
Ahhh! Indeed. hehehe

See now, nobody says just "sledding" if they're talking about mushing/dog sledding. Just "sledding" either means children sliding downhill in little snow sleds, or riding snowmobiles... I'll teach you to speak Alaskan sooner or later. ;)
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Re: One For Dogboy and Mivox.. The True meaning of sledding
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2010, 04:41:10 PM »
yeah, snowmachine = snowmobile = sled, and it is just how she said it: Alaskans call them machines, normal people call them snowmobiles and people who actually ride them, call them 'sleds'.

Although as a (dog) musher we called it 'dog sledding'... and just 'sledding', in context... because we ride a (dog) sled, so that makes sense as long as you aren't talking to a snowmobiler.

Love the video:)

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Re: One For Dogboy and Mivox.. The True meaning of sledding
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2010, 12:17:12 AM »
Although as a (dog) musher we called it 'dog sledding'... and just 'sledding', in context... because we ride a (dog) sled, so that makes sense as long as you aren't talking to a snowmobiler.

See, I thought of that after I posted, but then I've never been privy to the secret language of mushers, so I wasn't sure. lol
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Re: One For Dogboy and Mivox.. The True meaning of sledding
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2010, 01:08:41 AM »
>ten-most-hilarious-sledging-incidents-in-world-cricket/
a few good ones in there:)

...with respect to 'sleds', the difference between a 'sledge' and a 'sled' is that a 'sledge' is a crude sled-like thing that usually carries seriously heavy gear/supplies.  It might be '2 green saplings lashed to a canoe' type of jury rigged thing... or something build by a carpenter... or even a welder if it is steel, which nowadays, up North, is usually the case.  A sled, though, is something that is much more refined and not nearly as tough. Even 'freight sleds' are much more refined than a sledge.

Freight Sled: (I used to drive tourists down black diamond ski slopes in Colorado using this sled)



Race Sled:
There is a cloth bag, that is big enough to hold a dog and some gear, that is missing so you can see the structure...


Not mine, but I had something similar, but longer, for more distance...


Sledge: (not mine, wish it were though:)


...so, as you can see, sled:sledge :: canoe:raft

« Last Edit: December 13, 2010, 01:11:09 AM by dogboy »

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Re: One For Dogboy and Mivox.. The True meaning of sledding
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2010, 01:20:42 AM »
Bombing the backcountry...



...thats what a 500lb sled looks like, sideways, as it goes around a hairpin turn at about 30mph. heheheeh this picture doesn't do it justice.  That is the second turn.... the first turn is straight down the face of a Black Diamond ski run in Snowmass CO.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2010, 01:23:39 AM by dogboy »

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Re: One For Dogboy and Mivox.. The True meaning of sledding
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2010, 01:50:22 AM »
Quote
(I used to drive tourists down black diamond ski slopes in Colorado using this sled)

My boyfriend used to do night time dogsled tours in the winter up here (aurora tours, they called 'em)... his snowhook slipped one time, his team took off, and the elderly Japanese woman riding in the basket ended up dumped head-first into a snowbank at high speed. He had to run down to the turn and pull her out of the snow.

The next day he sees her talking to all the other people in the Japanese tour group, pointing at him and his team... he was afraid he'd broken her neck or something, and was about to get fired, but instead, everyone else in the group wanted to hurry up and get a ride before their bus left.  ;D
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Re: One For Dogboy and Mivox.. The True meaning of sledding
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2010, 02:04:19 AM »
Mivox, then you are the only one that could possibly understand how badass we were back then:  we weren't allowed to carry hooks because when we flipped (I flipped 8 times that season) the passengers would likely die if they rolled over a hook... so I had to make all 10-14 dogs lie down, on command, in order to get off the sled to do anything:) Even Amazing Ben's jaw would drop if he ever heard that:)

BTW, for those that don't know, that is a snow hook I'm holding in my right hand:

...and they are dangerous as hell.  Especially when you are dragging on your face, bouncing off trees in the middle of the night, with a headlamp... how about it Mivox?:)  With real big teams, I take 2 hooks. And you never walk on the same side as you set the hook, in case they pull it and it starts cartwheeling as the sled comes by you. (Another reason 2 hooks is dangerous, but 1 hook wont hold anything more than 10, so it's the lesser of 2 evils.)
« Last Edit: December 13, 2010, 02:11:05 AM by dogboy »

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Re: One For Dogboy and Mivox.. The True meaning of sledding
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2010, 02:16:38 AM »
Honestly, I'm kinda glad he'd switched to snowmachines by the time I met him... lol So, I've never been dragged anywhere or injured in any way by a dog (or dozen).  ;)

But I gotta say, with all the mushers I know, the idea of a whole team lying down on command is pretty fscking mindboggling. Dan had a leader (obviously after the japanese grandmother incident) who'd actually stop when he yelled at him (causing the rest of the team to kind of end up in a pile behind him), and nobody even believes it when he says that.

Laying down on command...  ::) You really should have gotten video proof of that, you know.  hehehe
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Re: One For Dogboy and Mivox.. The True meaning of sledding
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2010, 03:08:27 AM »
>stop when he yelled at him
Now THAT is a lead dog!!!  I never had a leader that would just slam on the brakes and let a pile up happen ...and yet that is the very thing that you really need them to do in that situation.  Instead, I used to tie myself to the sled... which is arguably dumber than even getting on a big team in the first place... in case I lost them in the back country.  I figured being drug by a dislocated shoulder was better than what was behind curtain number 2.

BUT... when I was out in CO... I flipped in the that first turn on the big slope, and dumped out my passengers, but the dogs kept going and the sled uprighted itself with no one driving it.  Knowing I could never catch them, I ran to the edge of the ski slope and just jumped, landed on my butt, and slid all the way down to where the dogs would eventually meet me (after they did the hairpin alone.) The timing was perfect and as I got to my feet, they ran by and I stepped on the runner, like I was Indiana Jones:)

>video proof
Before I showed pictures, you all just believed me, with just the slightest of eyebrow raising... now you want videos?!?:) hehehehe I have some pics at home that I keep saying I need to get scanned. Maybe I do...

>I'm kinda glad he'd switched to snowmachines
Yeah, I think you are right.  When things go bad with dogs, they can go very bad.  I took some precautions but just about everything I did was against the book.  If I didn't come home no one would even think about going to find me for 4 days, and if they did, they would have no idea where to even to begin looking.  Who am I supposed to tell?  I ran dogs 9 months out of the year; who wants to listen?  I knew I was without a net most of the time (which I obviously thrived on) but it really was inherent to the sport if you are going it alone.  Basically, sledding was THE most insane thing I could even think up at the time... and 15 years later, I still haven't seen it's equal.  I don't think there is one.  It is a superlative.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2010, 03:11:33 AM by dogboy »

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Re: One For Dogboy and Mivox.. The True meaning of sledding
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2010, 05:01:11 AM »
Well, before the time he fell off the sled & the leader stopped for him, there was the time he fell off the sled & had to hike after their tracks for a couple hours at -30 (or so he says, might have only been -20), until he found them with the sled hung up on a tree. Not sure if that was a previous leader, or maybe that was when he decided to try and teach him how to stop. lol

I think everyone with a dog team I know up here has at least one "and this one time I lost the team" runaway dog story... None with quite as slick an ending as yours though. :) I believe you... But video is always a good backup. hehe

I have said to a number of mushers, "All mushers are insane." Not a one has eve tried to deny it. ;) But I think most of them aren't quite crazy enough to tie themselves to their sleds. You must win some kind of prize for that. haha 
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Re: One For Dogboy and Mivox.. The True meaning of sledding
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2010, 01:16:12 PM »
>& had to hike after their tracks for a couple hours at -30
...exactly, and that story could just as easily ended up with everyone dead. You run, you sweat, you go hypothermic, your feet freeze, you dig in to make a shelter and you never wake up... and your dogs end up in a ball, tangled in lines and fighting.  Yeah, unless you are a sprinter on a closed loop trail, you need either a leader that will either stop on command, or that can pull a u-turn on command... or a 3 foot section of mainline, looped around your non-hook hand:)

I lost the team" runaway dog story
yeah, I've never met a hardcore driver that didn't have a story like that. I think it has to be the absolute biggest fear among drivers.  The dark, the isolation, ground storms, getting lost, whatever, pale in comparison to the fear of letting go of that handlebar.

...I dunno. The dogs in that first video Rupert posted don't look too worried. Maybe they have it right after all;)

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Re: One For Dogboy and Mivox.. The True meaning of sledding
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2010, 02:14:18 PM »
ok - so whats the deal with huskys then? are the untrainable, or is it they're best not trained? I've seen them in places like Finland where although they're pretty, um, wilful they do seem to start and stop more or less on command, but they're just doing little runs with tourists so they could just be fluffy alsatians or do the same circuit daily for 4 months of the year for all I know....