Last I looked, vehicles in the Prime series (Toyota PHEV) were going for $9000 over MSRP as a standard add-on. That may be changing. As I mentioned, a couple of months ago the Tucson PHEV had a $5000 dealer add-on and was impossible to find. I just this week saw two dealers within 500 miles who had base models at over $1000 off MSRP

I think we're starting to see the conjunction of automakers finally getting back to full production just as they meet a recession and decline in sales of luxury goods and durable goods and, at the end of the day, a PHEV that is otherwise identical to the gas version for $13000 less is both.

The Tesla price drops might also be having a ripple effect on not just the full EV, but also the PHEV, markets

I think the EV craze (and Calif anti-ICE legislation) may have the manufacturers & dealers see non-ev models as soon-to-be dead weight. 

>Calif anti-ICE legislation

Calif is still the tail that wags the dog re ICE.

Have you seen this little green electric vehicle in OKC? It's one of the first in America

Quotehe is one of the first — if not the first — motorists in the United States to own a Wuling Hong Guang Mini EV Macaron, a wildly popular car in China but one not seen on a Plaza District street until October, when he started tooling around the area in the cute little four-seater that goes about 106 miles on a charge and has a starting price about $4,400.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2022/05/15/wuling-hong-guang-mini-macaron-electric-car-comes-okc-john-karlin/9615574002/

I love the concept and I hope we'll see more of that, but a little more robust. With the potholes on our roads and the $4400 price, I'm afraid I would total it the first time it hit a pothole.

I assume the 25 mph top speed is because that speed gets you below various safety regulations? $4000 probably just pays for the airbags in a modern car with front, side and top airbags

>25 mph

That's how I read it, too.  But further down;

The top speed is 62 mph. 

"I don't know that it's actually gonna go that fast," Karlin said. "I haven't taken it above maybe 36 or 37."

Automakers find a tax credit loophole to increase EV leasing and boost sales

Leased vehicles qualify for full $7500, whether they're US-produced or not.

Electric cars pothole damage is double that of petrol, Telegraph data show

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/26/pothole-electric-cars-damage-roads-double-petrol-telegraph/

Everything You Need to Know About Servicing an EV | WIRED

https://www.wired.com/story/everything-you-need-to-know-about-servicing-an-ev/

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/17/business/ford-ev-pickup-price-cut/index.html

This article is from 2019, but for some reason it's enjoying a renaissance as Phoenix bakes
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/transportation/2023/07/21/extreme-heat-can-reduce-ev-battery-range-by-31---study-says

Meanwhile, Ford is addressing range anxiety for the F150
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/here-s-how-ford-s-portable-charging-trailer-could-revolutionize-ev-mobility/ar-AA1easxL

It sounds like an Onion article, but apparently it's true

On Car and Driver's 75-mph highway test, more than 350 internal-combustion vehicles averaged 4.0 percent better fuel economy than what was stated on their labels. But the average range for an EV was 12.5 percent worse than the price sticker numbers.

EVs Fall Short of EPA Estimates Way More Than Gas Cars in Our Real-World Testing

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43657072/evs-fall-short-epa-estimates-sae-article/

Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/

Three EV snacks for you today

1. First tidbit: the bestselling car in the world is now the Tesla Y, outpacing the Toyota Corolla.

2. The Curious Case of EV Inventory Pile Up in the US

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/the-curious-case-of-ev-inventory-pile-up-in-the-us/ar-AA1eAHVP

"In anticipation of steep demand, the nationwide supply of EVs has swelled 350% this year to more than 92,000 units across different makes and models. Dealerships currently have a 92-day supply of EVs, which is nearly twice the 54-day supply for traditional gas-powered vehicles.... Industry experts are blaming the high price of EVs as well as concerns over finding a charger as the main reasons consumers aren't buying. However, both of these issues should improve in the next few years."


3. The first self-driving car fatality case put to rest who was responsible for killing a pedestrian. In this case, it was not the robot.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/the-first-self-driving-car-fatality-case-put-to-rest-who-was-responsible-for-killing-a-pedestrian-in-this-case-it-was-not-the-robot/ar-AA1ez3Q1

Spoiler alert: the human operator was watching videos on her phone, pleaded guilty to endangerment and was given 3 years probation.

>high price of EVs

Yeah, the supply of early-adopters with enough credit to finance $80-100k for 7 years is thin.  "Hyundai was just sending them $60,000 Ioniqs while most customers were looking for a $25,000 Elantra" pretty much sums up the market.

>finding a charger

I haven't seen a solution for charging at hi-rise apartments, condos, etc.

>high price of EVs

I remember discussing with a friend how much environmentally-friendly I thought an EV was (she was trying to decide and eventually did decide to buy a Tesla). My comment was that it depends on how many miles you drive and what you plan to do with the money if you buy a cheap ICE car.

Someone who drives 5,000 miles per year and buys a $30,000 ICE vehicle and puts $30,000 into solar panels, home insulation, heat pump, and the like will probably be doing a lot more for the environment by NOT buying and EV.

Someone who drives 15,000 miles per year takes the $30,000 savings and jets to Paris, Tokyo, Sao Paulo and Iceland would obviously not be helping with their greenhouse gas impacts.

Too many of these discussions assume infinite resources and no need to make tradeoffs even if someone has allocated $30,000 to reducing their footprint.