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thesaintv12

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Google Drive to offer free storage in the cloud
« on: April 24, 2012, 07:41:41 PM »
Story here -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17831725

On a personal note, I am removing most of the google services we use here.  The more my business grows the more I don't want to be tied in.  Ok, so the recent SERPs changes which removed a chunk of the income might have something to do with it. 


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Re: Google Drive to offer free storage in the cloud
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2012, 08:16:26 AM »
I presume that this is going to be a start of a cloud sync type service beyond what the default install of dropbox offers. If you look at what the HTC One X does with dropbox it seems like something worth tying in with android.

Would I get them to store critical information though? Would I f###! Mind you - I wouldn't with dropbox either.

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Re: Google Drive to offer free storage in the cloud
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2012, 08:21:41 AM »
I can't bring myself to use these cloud storage services for anything more than sending files that are too big to e-mail. I haven't found one that I'd trust beyond that. It's too much of a PITA to encrypt everything before using these services.

I was hoping something like AeroFS might be the answer. No cloud, just secure syncing between my own machines.  If I could do this without any 3rd party involvement it would be best, but I haven't found a workable routine yet.

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Re: Google Drive to offer free storage in the cloud
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2012, 08:44:35 AM »
Bill -take a look at Tonido if that is your concern. Different approach. I used it for a while in full paranoia mode and it was pretty useful.

Back to good drive though - have you seen the terms surrounding ownership of what you submit? Short version: You give it to google.

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Re: Google Drive to offer free storage in the cloud
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2012, 05:08:47 AM »
Tonido looks interesting, but I read in their forums that they have trouble with proxies. That would be a deal killer for me. I'll have to give it a try to see if I can get it to see thru my corporate proxy.

The Gdrive terms are indeed onerous. I've heard talk that it was a result of them consolidating privacy policies across all of their properties recently. They could certainly use some specific terms for Gdrive that would address these concerns. I don't know why they would need the right to perform my files even after I stopped using their services.

If I were to accept those terms I would really want to use some form of encryption on any important files uploaded via Gdrive.

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Re: Google Drive to offer free storage in the cloud
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2012, 02:43:03 AM »

Back to good drive though - have you seen the terms surrounding ownership of what you submit? Short version: You give it to google.

Just got the invite and installed it. But... gulp this is what I was worried about. Think I'll stick with dropbox

As for security, use dropbox (or drive if you wish) with truecrypt and mount/unmount on the go.

All the stuff in my dropbox I'm not really too bothered if it was to be taken tbh. The encrypted data I've got amounts to under 10mb.

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Re: Google Drive to offer free storage in the cloud
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2012, 05:48:31 PM »
Bill - I haven't tried it, but Spider Oak is supposed to be fully encrypted (not fake encrypted like Dropbox).

I will say that Dropbox is great for my wife and I running our rental business. Much of what is on there is documents we send to guests anyway or PDF versions of things that are on the web. There are a few things I would prefer not show up publicly on the web, but there's nothing on there that would be embarrassing or worse if it got nabbed.

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Re: Google Drive to offer free storage in the cloud
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2012, 05:59:12 PM »
And this from Paul Myers newsletter (talkbiznews.com )

It's a long quote, but I don't think you can get to it on the web so....

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An excerpt from Google Drive's terms of service:

   "Your Content in our Services: When you upload or
    otherwise submit content to our Services, you give
    Google (and those we work with) a worldwide licence
    to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create
    derivative works (such as those resulting from
    translations, adaptations or other changes that we
    make so that your content works better with our
    Services), communicate, publish, publicly perform,
    publicly display and distribute such content.

   "The rights that you grant in this licence are for
    the limited purpose of operating, promoting and
    improving our Services, and to develop new ones. This
    licence continues even if you stop using our Services
    (for example, for a business listing that you have
    added to Google Maps)."

 At first glance, that 'limited purpose' doesn't sound very
 'limited' to me. Privacy advocates and intellectual property
 owners across the web went ballistic over it. To contrast it
 with more creator-friendly terms, consider this, from the ToS
 for Dropbox:

   "Your Stuff & Your Privacy: By using our Services you
    provide us with information, files, and folders that
    you submit to Dropbox (together, 'your stuff'). You
    retain full ownership to your stuff. We don't claim
    any ownership to any of it. These Terms do not grant
    us any rights to your stuff or intellectual property
    except for the limited rights that are needed to run
    the Services, as explained below."

 Microsoft's SkyDrive service offers a similarly clear and
 rights-respecting section. They're much more specific about
 what they can and cannot do with your digital property.

 There is another section of the Google Drive ToS that a lot of
 people have said clears up any concerns over the issue:

   "Some of our Services allow you to submit content. You
    retain ownership of any intellectual property rights
    that you hold in that content. In short, what belongs
    to you stays yours."

 Essentially, Dropbox and SkyDrive say outright, "We don't own
 your stuff, and we can't do anything with it other than what's
 needed to provide the service you signed up for." Google Drive
 says something more like, "You still own your stuff, but we can
 do what we want with it."

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Re: Google Drive to offer free storage in the cloud
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2012, 08:12:55 PM »
This is what MSN chat T&C used to say - it's a big reason I never really liked it.  I actually suspect that the reason its in many T&C is so, if their databases get hacked, you can't sue a company for letting someone else get your info, because you gave them the rights to do what they wish with it - including showing it to anyone else. Not sure, but I suspect it would make a great get out clause if necessary.

I wonder what length T&C need to be before a court would decide that it's unreasonable to expect someone to have read them before sign up and therefore they're null and void? Was it here someone posted that some are now something like 30,000 words?

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Re: Google Drive to offer free storage in the cloud
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2012, 01:20:31 AM »
Well, that's more or less what we've come to in some ways with the mortgage writedowns. So if the T&C are as long as a mortgage application, maybe that's long enough to challenge ;-)

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Re: Google Drive to offer free storage in the cloud
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2012, 06:48:30 PM »
Intetesting, google drive installs itself as an 'update' on android. I have just about had enough of google.

edit - It seems that you can't unistall it without removing google docs from the phone either.  Oh well bye google docs.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2012, 09:17:29 AM by thesaintv12 »

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Re: Google Drive to offer free storage in the cloud
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2012, 08:48:23 PM »
I use google services whenever possible - it takes away the worry of wondering if there's something about me they don't know.

With Gmail for personal and business, Google Analytics, Android phone, Google Drive, Picasaweb photo sharing, GWT, Google Voice, Google Chat, Google Apps, Google calendar, Google Chrome, Google Maps (what am I leaving out?), I don't have to wonder whether or not Google knows about my sex life, financial status, personal and business connections, travel destinations, websites owned and visited, my loves and my lies. They just know and now I know they know.

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Re: Google Drive to offer free storage in the cloud
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2012, 06:37:44 PM »
I was contemplating using them, I'm glad you mentioned that small little detail. 

Does anyone use iCloud?

That's one of the main reason I am thinking of switching over to Macs.

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Re: Google Drive to offer free storage in the cloud
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2012, 07:53:47 PM »
I'm just the opposite of ergophobe, I use a lot of cloud and other services spread all over - I try to use anything but Google: Dropbox, Box.net, Evernote, various web based emails, Opera Browser etc., but somehow Google still know way more about me than I'm comfortable with PLUS so do all the others! :-)  I'm thinking you are on to something ergophobe!

Sigh.

@ 2much - I was an exclusive Mac user for years. The problem I have with them is that if you buy into too many of their products and services you eventually find yourself deep deep in a walled garden with no good way to migrate much of your info.  Still in return for that, most Mac things just work and they all play well together.

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Re: Google Drive to offer free storage in the cloud
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2012, 08:05:48 PM »
That's one of the main reason I am thinking of switching over to Macs.

Me too, but I'd worry... worry that I'd be skint as I wont be able to buy just a Mac!

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