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thesaintv12

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School ICT lessons to be replaced (UK)
« on: January 11, 2012, 11:04:35 AM »
About bloody time - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-16493929

Interesting that Ian Livingstone is involved in this (I mentioned him as one of the people who inspired me to learn programming in this thread - http://th3core.com/talk/hardware-technology/16-computer-raspberry-pi/?topicseen). 

The quicker they change it the better.  My kids know how to use a computer, but they have no idea how they work.  They see it as a boring subject because they get forced into word, excel and a few maths games in school.


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Re: School ICT lessons to be replaced (UK)
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2012, 09:49:54 PM »
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"Children are being forced to learn how to use applications, rather than to make them. They are becoming slaves to the user interface and are totally bored by it," he said.

True that.  I remember back in college a thousand years ago, I had to take a computer class as part of the curriculum.  It was boring as hell as I already knew all the programs they were trying to teach.  So, I went to class and read a book. 

I actually learned to love that class as it was the only time during the week I could sit and read.

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Re: School ICT lessons to be replaced (UK)
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2012, 08:31:47 AM »
It's frightening how little skills/understanding kids school with. We've always tried to offer opportunities to youngsters at our place. However in the last five years there has been a massive drop in quality.


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Re: School ICT lessons to be replaced (UK)
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2012, 05:15:41 PM »
So when I was in college (University of Vermont, starting in 1981), there were no applications courses, but you could get credit for learning a programming language.


Then I sat in some computer science classes in Berkeley around 1998, and found out that at Berkeley, CS majors can't even get credit for programming language classes. They specifically say they expect that anyone coming to study computer science in their program should be the kind of person who can teach herself syntax and they don't waste time on teaching languages that may go out of style. They teach core concepts that you can use no matter what language comes into fashion.

First semester CS is taught in Scheme and hardly one second is taught teaching the language itself. You're expected to figure it out as you go along.

It left me with great admiration for Berkeley and contempt for *universities* who offer college credit for courses on using applications.

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Re: School ICT lessons to be replaced (UK)
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2012, 12:47:33 AM »
It may be contentious, but I agree with Berkeley. The best coders I know are genuinely interested in the elegance of code, and it's something they don't leave at work. I've working with developers who had solid educations who seemed to have had common sense bypasses. This may be why I lean towards web languages that tend to be self-taught (PHP, Ruby, Python etc.) rather than the ones that are University taught (.net, Java). There may be a lot of sh## PHP coders out there, but there are some great ones too.

I too was bored with my last CS course, so decided to teach myself C++ and do my end of year project in that just to keep it interesting. IIRC they were teaching some form of BASIC, and having grown up through the era of Commodore Pets, ZX81s and Vic-20s, it just wouldn't have been a challenge.